ID on dagger ?

A.alnakkas · 14th January 2012, 12:28 PM

Hello All,

I dont think has any relation to north African knives. The Bu Saadi knives are defined mainly by the blade which is generally decorated with brass and colours. The scabbard is different aswell.

I think it looks more like asian items as Emanuel said!

Gavin Nugent · 14th January 2012, 01:44 PM

North Africa is a big place;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa

Emanuel · 15th January 2012, 12:17 AM

My apologies for uploading pictures from Google Images without visiting the website of those images indexed by Google to ask their copyright owner permission to use them on a public forum.

Gavin Nugent · 15th January 2012, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel

My apologies for uploading pictures from Google Images without visiting the website of those images indexed by Google to ask their copyright owner permission to use them on a public forum.

Tis ok, thank you

thinreadline · 17th January 2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Hello All,

I dont think has any relation to north African knives. The Bu Saadi knives are defined mainly by the blade which is generally decorated with brass and colours. The scabbard is different aswell.

I think it looks more like asian items as Emanuel said!

Yes . The decorative motifs seem to be remarkably much like the Afghani knife you have recently posted on the 'Choora' thread.

hbhansen · 19th January 2012, 07:41 PM

I just found one more feature, that I missed in the first place.... This is only on the stamped side of the blade...

spiral · 19th January 2012, 10:56 PM

That features a rivet, the bolster isnt truly integral, ill post a kukri & some Karda in a few days that show some very similar features.

I think its NWF to Veitnam on horzontal travel, Southern China to southern Burma or Thailand on the vertical.

My real guess is Bengal/Assam/ Northen Burma....... small diameter ivory is Common , steel is at a preimium.

But nothing that makes the fat lady sing.....

Spiral

Richard G · 22nd January 2012, 05:38 PM

Thank you, Ibrahim and Jim, for your welcoming replies to my previous post.

This may put the cat amongst the pigeons. The materials, construction and decorative motifs are all the same as Henrik's original dagger, but the style certainly isn't. I don't know where it's from either, my gut feeling is Nepal or Afghanistan. I suspect the stamps on the blade will be the feature that will eventually identify the origin. To me they seem very distinctive, and very, very, heavily struck. I wonder if anyone has seen them on any other metalwork. BTW, this is a hefty piece, 17" long overall.

I seem to remember something similar once being described in an auction catalogue as Swahili Arab, but I can't remember any evidence for this.

I thought my previous photo's s bit OTT so I've tried to scale these back a bit.

Regards
Richard

hbhansen · 22nd January 2012, 10:08 PM

Hi Richard.
That's very interesting ! Thanks for posting. There's no doubt that your piece and mine is from the same region !
But where is that

Best
Henrik

chregu · 23rd January 2012, 08:51 AM

hello together
We are getting slowly closer! smile
definitely the same area! but no idea where.

19th January 2012, 07:41 PM	#6
hbhansen Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 89	I just found one more feature, that I missed in the first place.... This is only on the stamped side of the blade... Attached Images

22nd January 2012, 05:38 PM	#8
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 411	Thank you, Ibrahim and Jim, for your welcoming replies to my previous post. This may put the cat amongst the pigeons. The materials, construction and decorative motifs are all the same as Henrik's original dagger, but the style certainly isn't. I don't know where it's from either, my gut feeling is Nepal or Afghanistan. I suspect the stamps on the blade will be the feature that will eventually identify the origin. To me they seem very distinctive, and very, very, heavily struck. I wonder if anyone has seen them on any other metalwork. BTW, this is a hefty piece, 17" long overall. I seem to remember something similar once being described in an auction catalogue as Swahili Arab, but I can't remember any evidence for this. I thought my previous photo's s bit OTT so I've tried to scale these back a bit. Regards Richard Attached Images

14th January 2012, 12:28 PM	#1
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hello All, I dont think has any relation to north African knives. The Bu Saadi knives are defined mainly by the blade which is generally decorated with brass and colours. The scabbard is different aswell. I think it looks more like asian items as Emanuel said!

14th January 2012, 01:44 PM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	North Africa is a big place; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa

15th January 2012, 12:17 AM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	My apologies for uploading pictures from Google Images without visiting the website of those images indexed by Google to ask their copyright owner permission to use them on a public forum.

19th January 2012, 10:56 PM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	That features a rivet, the bolster isnt truly integral, ill post a kukri & some Karda in a few days that show some very similar features. I think its NWF to Veitnam on horzontal travel, Southern China to southern Burma or Thailand on the vertical. My real guess is Bengal/Assam/ Northen Burma....... small diameter ivory is Common , steel is at a preimium. But nothing that makes the fat lady sing..... Spiral

22nd January 2012, 10:08 PM	#9
hbhansen Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 89	Hi Richard. That's very interesting ! Thanks for posting. There's no doubt that your piece and mine is from the same region ! But where is that Best Henrik

23rd January 2012, 08:51 AM	#10
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hello together We are getting slowly closer! smile definitely the same area! but no idea where.