hilt material ?

David · 30th December 2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

About hit material.... is possible to see some good pic of rhino horn hit???

Well, i'd have to say that it might be appropriate for this forum if indeed someone could show us a keris hilt made of rhino, but i have never seen that. Still, even if someone has one to show it might be best to start a new thread on it.

Alam Shah · 3rd January 2010, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Well, i'd have to say that it might be appropriate for this forum if indeed someone could show us a keris hilt made of rhino, but i have never seen that. Still, even if someone has one to show it might be best to start a new thread on it.

Hi Marco and David,

This is an example on a Sumatran keris..
http://alamshah.fotopic.net/p56026159.html

* see other pictures here.

David · 3rd January 2010, 12:52 AM

Wow, that's interesting. Sure looks like rhino to me. Why don't you start a thread on that Shahrial. I would love to see if others also have or have seen rhino keris hilts.

Marcokeris · 3rd January 2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hi Marco and David,

This is an example on a Sumatran keris..
http://alamshah.fotopic.net/p56026159.html

* see other pictures here.

Thanks a lot Alam for the nice photos
Sure a beautiful rhino

Is the weigh of rhino material more llittle than an ivory/horn material of the same misure?
Is the surface of this material more similar to "velvet"?
Is this material less cold than ivory material to touch?
(sorry for my english)

Rick · 3rd January 2010, 11:27 PM

From my experience Rhino can be quite rough if damaged or scuffed .

The horn can be finished quite smooth .

Rhino, to me, feels warmer than Gading .

The best part; Rhino horn gets sticky when wet; this is a good attribute for the hilt of any edged weapon .

Probably makes great pistol grips too .

Gustav · 5th January 2010, 10:40 AM

A rather bad picture (sorry!) of an early balu mekabun or veiled Durga hilt (in Europe before 1590), made from rhino-horn. This is the Deutschordens-Keris in Wien, I don't have the Krisdisk, but there must be a much more better depiction of it.

There is a chinese source (also Hasrinuksmo/Lumintu 1988: 19)mentioning short swords with rhino-horn hilts, send as a gift from Maharadja of Kahuripan to China (11 century?).

asomotif · 6th January 2010, 06:40 AM

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Hi Marco and David,

This is an example on a Sumatran keris..
http://alamshah.fotopic.net/p56026159.html

* see other pictures here.

Wow, that is an impressive keris.

Thanks for sharing.
I was able to restrain myself from wandering to your other pictures to avoid a serious attack of envy

A. G. Maisey · 6th January 2010, 11:38 PM

Gustav

This quotation:-

There is a chinese source (also Hasrinuksmo/Lumintu 1988: 19)mentioning short swords with rhino-horn hilts, send as a gift from Maharadja of Kahuripan to China (11 century?).

appears to have been taken from a work that is in fact quoting another source.

Could I trouble you to provide us with the complete verbatim quotation and any relevant footnotes?

Thank you,

Alan.

guwaya · 7th January 2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

A rather bad picture (sorry!) of an early balu mekabun or veiled Durga hilt (in Europe before 1590), made from rhino-horn. This is the Deutschordens-Keris in Wien, I don't have the Krisdisk, but there must be a much more better depiction of it.

There is a chinese source (also Hasrinuksmo/Lumintu 1988: 19)mentioning short swords with rhino-horn hilts, send as a gift from Maharadja of Kahuripan to China (11 century?).

Gustav:

I also would appreciate if you could say a bit more about the original citation and the genuine source of the information.

Thank you in advance,
guwaya

Gustav · 7th January 2010, 08:34 AM

Alan, Guwaya,

my source was the dissertation of Achim Weihrauch (2001). Here the full text, page 56 (I apologise for my English, for I have translated this from German):

(one should regard the source from the 11 century, where between others "short swords" are mentioned, with rhino-horn handles, as gifts from a Javanese potentiat to the imperial court of China; regard Hasrinuksmo/Lumintu 1988: 19) 98 (for footnote)

98 (footnote) A chinese source mentions short swords with rhino-horn handles, which Maharadja of Kahuripan (a kingdom at the Brantas-river, 11 century) have send as gift to China.

5th January 2010, 10:40 AM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	A rather bad picture (sorry!) of an early balu mekabun or veiled Durga hilt (in Europe before 1590), made from rhino-horn. This is the Deutschordens-Keris in Wien, I don't have the Krisdisk, but there must be a much more better depiction of it. There is a chinese source (also Hasrinuksmo/Lumintu 1988: 19)mentioning short swords with rhino-horn hilts, send as a gift from Maharadja of Kahuripan to China (11 century?). Attached Images

3rd January 2010, 12:52 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Wow, that's interesting. Sure looks like rhino to me. Why don't you start a thread on that Shahrial. I would love to see if others also have or have seen rhino keris hilts.

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Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	From my experience Rhino can be quite rough if damaged or scuffed . The horn can be finished quite smooth . Rhino, to me, feels warmer than Gading . The best part; Rhino horn gets sticky when wet; this is a good attribute for the hilt of any edged weapon . Probably makes great pistol grips too .

6th January 2010, 11:38 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Gustav This quotation:- There is a chinese source (also Hasrinuksmo/Lumintu 1988: 19)mentioning short swords with rhino-horn hilts, send as a gift from Maharadja of Kahuripan to China (11 century?). appears to have been taken from a work that is in fact quoting another source. Could I trouble you to provide us with the complete verbatim quotation and any relevant footnotes? Thank you, Alan.

7th January 2010, 08:34 AM	#10
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Alan, Guwaya, my source was the dissertation of Achim Weihrauch (2001). Here the full text, page 56 (I apologise for my English, for I have translated this from German): (one should regard the source from the 11 century, where between others "short swords" are mentioned, with rhino-horn handles, as gifts from a Javanese potentiat to the imperial court of China; regard Hasrinuksmo/Lumintu 1988: 19) 98 (for footnote) 98 (footnote) A chinese source mentions short swords with rhino-horn handles, which Maharadja of Kahuripan (a kingdom at the Brantas-river, 11 century) have send as gift to China.