hilt material ?

[Rick]

Originally Posted by vampire

hallo
rick mine old friend
a moment of peace
i did say nothing about a forgery
and i also did not take the word molded in mine reply
only if i compare it with mine pice ,it seems to miss
some sharpness yes do not read me wrong
one thihg it comes out of indonesia oke
i have spend some years there working with
pertamina oil-comp
i see the hilt is from there and it is no elephant
ivory but a other animal
and for all reasons is it handmade also in asia some
are made with other meth, oke
the big question is ,is danny happy with it
yes oke i only did try to put mine dime in this
and rick i think we started of on the wrong foot yes
let say i did oke ,soon it is new year let it be
give me your adress will mail you nice book st claus
grt jan

Jan, there is no war .

Maybe a bit of a language interpretation problem, nothing else .

I've been here too long to let this stuff get to me .

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I remember one of my first Keris like objects .

This keris had a Madura style hilt of the same general form; when I received it I discovered to my dismay that it had been cast from the same material they make dental models from ...

[danny1976]

Vampire (jan)

why you dont send me a pm in dutch , its maybe a idea so i can understand
what you mean with youre reply,s .

I realy dont understand what u want to say to me ( us )?


Its quite clear this is a old hilt with wear of age and patin from what is genneraly cald ivory .. from elefhant or a other (sea) animal.

regards,

danny

[vampire]

danny
be happy with your ivory hilt
if i had it i put it in mine ivory tower
i think also it is from some beast
but old i do not think so ,it came not so long ago out of indonesia
sorry ,they stand on the sale sides of bali ,sorry
again ,i think you will not agree ,to bad
i hope ya understand this english .i do it again in dutch
danny
wees blij met je ivoren aankoop
net als ik zeg stop het in een ivoren toren
ik denk ook dat het van een of ander beest is
maar oud nee dit kwam pas uit indonesia
sorry .je vindt ze terug op de verkoop sides van bali
nogmaals sorry
ik denk dat we het niet eens zijn met elkaar
niet erg ik woon in amsterdam kan je altijd een heft laten
zien geen peobleem in hollands engels en malaya
groet en blijf verzamelen ,als jij het maar leuk vindt
jan groet

[Sajen]

Hello Danny,

tomorrow I will post some pictures of a very similar hilt from my collection. My one is from wood. The material from your hilt may be sperm whale like some other already assume. The surface of your hilt is vitreous, a sign for this material.

Regards,

Detlef

[David]

I think we are have just a wee bit of language difficulties here. Let me try to me clearer.
Jan, people are responding to your early post because you clearly stated "nice hilt, but no ivory".
Now you have clarified that statement by saying it is not from an elephant, but from some other animal. Perhaps you are unaware that ivory comes from many different kinds of animals. If you read the posts on this you will see that no one else here thinks it is elephant either. The consensus seems to be leaning towards marine ivory, meaning from some sea-bound mammal. It could be dunong (sea cow), it could be from a whale. But all these animals produce material that is know as ivory. Danny's hilt if clearly made from one of these ivories. Right now the only question in my mind if which one and i am not convinced we will come to any definite conclusion on that.

[danny1976]

David ,

Thanks you for trying to explain it to vampire.

I don,t think there is a problem with the language , english is not my mother language also but i can follow quite clear what everybody write,s and i hope you people can understand my writing although it is not perfect english.

The problem with jan is a think just a stubern ''i know better mentality''


Jan i will play the 'rough unpolited '' dutch man back to you maybe you can understand this way bettter?

Stop with omong kossong i realy get a kepala sakit after reading your coments !

[Rick]

Interesting Danny,
Did you say something about Bull waste and a splitting headache ?

[simatua]

Let's go back to the beginning.

looking at the pictures i asked myself is it really ivory?/ is it an old hilt?
- The kind of carving is indeed not to sharp. ( even in the early days ivory was scarce, carvers low paid, and have more time to make little masterpieces.
.....especially for someone with royal connections, looking at the symbol of the son.
imo its not patine / or worn off, looking at the front; the triangles are different size. Ivory is an hard material is does not quicly show patine, and if so the inside stays like it is.

The hot needle is just an test, and not every new material melts away.

, I cannot lay my finger behind this...what exactly the material is, but i would not say its ivory. I some hilts myself.
1. Onknown material molded?; even stands the hot knive test. ( at the backside some airholes?

2. Old ivory, with patine