hilt material ?

vampire · 20th December 2009, 02:56 PM

hai again david
i do not say ,his kris is bone ,mine is
but i do not think it is ivory like the stuff from a elephant
i might come from a other animal
photos on forum ,yes we can do and yes we will do
afther i made mine trip to asia
mine photo are never good and sharp
so i will let some one do it
to go back to the hilt it is very nice ,but i woder a bit
over the sharpness ,like michel did say
grt vampire

Rick · 20th December 2009, 04:19 PM

I think we are looking at real wear and patina here Jan .

If that sucker is molded then someone went to an awful lot of trouble to create a forgery .

vampire · 20th December 2009, 05:00 PM

hallo
rick mine old friend
a moment of peace
i did say nothing about a forgery
and i also did not take the word molded in mine reply
only if i compare it with mine pice ,it seems to miss
some sharpness yes do not read me wrong
one thihg it comes out of indonesia oke
i have spend some years there working with
pertamina oil-comp
i see the hilt is from there and it is no elephant
ivory but a other animal
and for all reasons is it handmade also in asia some
are made with other meth, oke
the big question is ,is danny happy with it
yes oke i only did try to put mine dime in this
and rick i think we started of on the wrong foot yes
let say i did oke ,soon it is new year let it be
give me your adress will mail you nice book st claus
grt jan

Rick · 20th December 2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire

hallo
rick mine old friend
a moment of peace
i did say nothing about a forgery
and i also did not take the word molded in mine reply
only if i compare it with mine pice ,it seems to miss
some sharpness yes do not read me wrong
one thihg it comes out of indonesia oke
i have spend some years there working with
pertamina oil-comp
i see the hilt is from there and it is no elephant
ivory but a other animal
and for all reasons is it handmade also in asia some
are made with other meth, oke
the big question is ,is danny happy with it
yes oke i only did try to put mine dime in this
and rick i think we started of on the wrong foot yes
let say i did oke ,soon it is new year let it be
give me your adress will mail you nice book st claus
grt jan

Jan, there is no war .

Maybe a bit of a language interpretation problem, nothing else .

I've been here too long to let this stuff get to me .

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I remember one of my first Keris like objects .

This keris had a Madura style hilt of the same general form; when I received it I discovered to my dismay that it had been cast from the same material they make dental models from ...

danny1976 · 20th December 2009, 07:34 PM

Vampire (jan)

why you dont send me a pm in dutch , its maybe a idea so i can understand
what you mean with youre reply,s .

I realy dont understand what u want to say to me ( us )?

Its quite clear this is a old hilt with wear of age and patin from what is genneraly cald ivory .. from elefhant or a other (sea) animal.

regards,

danny

vampire · 20th December 2009, 08:16 PM

danny
be happy with your ivory hilt
if i had it i put it in mine ivory tower
i think also it is from some beast
but old i do not think so ,it came not so long ago out of indonesia
sorry ,they stand on the sale sides of bali ,sorry
again ,i think you will not agree ,to bad
i hope ya understand this english .i do it again in dutch
danny
wees blij met je ivoren aankoop
net als ik zeg stop het in een ivoren toren
ik denk ook dat het van een of ander beest is
maar oud nee dit kwam pas uit indonesia
sorry .je vindt ze terug op de verkoop sides van bali
nogmaals sorry
ik denk dat we het niet eens zijn met elkaar
niet erg ik woon in amsterdam kan je altijd een heft laten
zien geen peobleem in hollands engels en malaya
groet en blijf verzamelen ,als jij het maar leuk vindt
jan groet

Sajen · 20th December 2009, 08:46 PM

Hello Danny,

tomorrow I will post some pictures of a very similar hilt from my collection. My one is from wood. The material from your hilt may be sperm whale like some other already assume. The surface of your hilt is vitreous, a sign for this material.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 21st December 2009, 05:48 PM

I think we are have just a wee bit of language difficulties here. Let me try to me clearer.
Jan, people are responding to your early post because you clearly stated "nice hilt, but no ivory".
Now you have clarified that statement by saying it is not from an elephant, but from some other animal. Perhaps you are unaware that ivory comes from many different kinds of animals. If you read the posts on this you will see that no one else here thinks it is elephant either. The consensus seems to be leaning towards marine ivory, meaning from some sea-bound mammal. It could be dunong (sea cow), it could be from a whale. But all these animals produce material that is know as ivory. Danny's hilt if clearly made from one of these ivories. Right now the only question in my mind if which one and i am not convinced we will come to any definite conclusion on that.

danny1976 · 20th December 2009, 05:53 PM

Rick,

i also think it,s realy age wear on the hilt.

i can post this one on the other forum to look if there wil come a reaction.

regards,

danny

sirek · 20th December 2009, 06:26 PM

because the growth rings I still think that this is made from a natural material

maybe for comparison some foto's of a molded grip I own:

20th December 2009, 02:56 PM	#1
vampire Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: amsterdam holland Posts: 28	hallo david hai again david i do not say ,his kris is bone ,mine is but i do not think it is ivory like the stuff from a elephant i might come from a other animal photos on forum ,yes we can do and yes we will do afther i made mine trip to asia mine photo are never good and sharp so i will let some one do it to go back to the hilt it is very nice ,but i woder a bit over the sharpness ,like michel did say grt vampire

20th December 2009, 06:26 PM	#10
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	because the growth rings I still think that this is made from a natural material maybe for comparison some foto's of a molded grip I own: Attached Images

20th December 2009, 04:19 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I think we are looking at real wear and patina here Jan . If that sucker is molded then someone went to an awful lot of trouble to create a forgery .

20th December 2009, 05:00 PM	#3
vampire Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: amsterdam holland Posts: 28	hallo rick mine old friend a moment of peace i did say nothing about a forgery and i also did not take the word molded in mine reply only if i compare it with mine pice ,it seems to miss some sharpness yes do not read me wrong one thihg it comes out of indonesia oke i have spend some years there working with pertamina oil-comp i see the hilt is from there and it is no elephant ivory but a other animal and for all reasons is it handmade also in asia some are made with other meth, oke the big question is ,is danny happy with it yes oke i only did try to put mine dime in this and rick i think we started of on the wrong foot yes let say i did oke ,soon it is new year let it be give me your adress will mail you nice book st claus grt jan

20th December 2009, 07:34 PM	#5
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Vampire (jan) why you dont send me a pm in dutch , its maybe a idea so i can understand what you mean with youre reply,s . I realy dont understand what u want to say to me ( us )? Its quite clear this is a old hilt with wear of age and patin from what is genneraly cald ivory .. from elefhant or a other (sea) animal. regards, danny

20th December 2009, 08:16 PM	#6
vampire Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: amsterdam holland Posts: 28	danny be happy with your ivory hilt if i had it i put it in mine ivory tower i think also it is from some beast but old i do not think so ,it came not so long ago out of indonesia sorry ,they stand on the sale sides of bali ,sorry again ,i think you will not agree ,to bad i hope ya understand this english .i do it again in dutch danny wees blij met je ivoren aankoop net als ik zeg stop het in een ivoren toren ik denk ook dat het van een of ander beest is maar oud nee dit kwam pas uit indonesia sorry .je vindt ze terug op de verkoop sides van bali nogmaals sorry ik denk dat we het niet eens zijn met elkaar niet erg ik woon in amsterdam kan je altijd een heft laten zien geen peobleem in hollands engels en malaya groet en blijf verzamelen ,als jij het maar leuk vindt jan groet

20th December 2009, 08:46 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Danny, tomorrow I will post some pictures of a very similar hilt from my collection. My one is from wood. The material from your hilt may be sperm whale like some other already assume. The surface of your hilt is vitreous, a sign for this material. Regards, Detlef

21st December 2009, 05:48 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I think we are have just a wee bit of language difficulties here. Let me try to me clearer. Jan, people are responding to your early post because you clearly stated "nice hilt, but no ivory". Now you have clarified that statement by saying it is not from an elephant, but from some other animal. Perhaps you are unaware that ivory comes from many different kinds of animals. If you read the posts on this you will see that no one else here thinks it is elephant either. The consensus seems to be leaning towards marine ivory, meaning from some sea-bound mammal. It could be dunong (sea cow), it could be from a whale. But all these animals produce material that is know as ivory. Danny's hilt if clearly made from one of these ivories. Right now the only question in my mind if which one and i am not convinced we will come to any definite conclusion on that.

20th December 2009, 05:53 PM	#9
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Rick, i also think it,s realy age wear on the hilt. i can post this one on the other forum to look if there wil come a reaction. regards, danny