rare medieval weapon against heavy Armour.

cornelistromp · 11th November 2009, 10:06 PM

Hi David,

thanks, so this is something for the agricultural museum

herewith a picture from the other side.

btw you can see a similar line on your picture from the museum.

Best regards

katana · 12th November 2009, 12:16 AM

Hi Cornelistromp,
still an interesting object in its own right.

It is always disappointing to find a piece which you believe is a weapon ...then to find out it is something else

I have done this myself ....... a number of times

....here's one ...which others had a little fun with

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=asparagus

All the best

Kind Regards David

fearn · 12th November 2009, 02:36 AM

Always worth looking at more modern agricultural bill-hooks (see Wikipedia on more information). They were the European equivalent of machetes, and there were many different versions of them. I suspect that a lot of what has been pictured here are either bill-hooks, or weaponized versions of them like Stone's fauchard or voulge, as the first thread noted.

Best,

F

kronckew · 12th November 2009, 09:31 PM

thatching tools, particularly the eaves knives (no.5 below) - looks like a long single edged knife on a 3ft pole, look very weapon-like, as do hay knives.
drawing of thatchers tools:

more

hay knives also come in some rather odd shapes, used for cutting hay bales and trimming hay stacks to shape. (google on 'hay knife')

celtan · 13th November 2009, 08:57 PM

Is a viking helmet considered heavy armor?

Atlantia · 13th November 2009, 09:06 PM

Remember this one?
Reed/Hay knife

kronckew · 13th November 2009, 09:26 PM

celtan, no armour is heavy enough to protect you from an enraged spouse.

and atlantia, i did have that one in mind

along with the asparagus pilum.

we need to remember that weapons are also tools. and visa versa...and the lines can blur.

SE Asia especially, neat video on using a parang:
Harvesting Palm heart, sarawak.

cornelistromp · 31st March 2013, 10:49 AM

the tool of post nr 4 was also, probably, in exceptional cases, used on the battlefield.
I noticed this in images of Original manuscripts from the period 1425-1450 from German speaking countries.
it is partly used in a biblical story in the translation from the Latin book Speculum Humanae salvation.
hero epic story? lack of real swords in time of war?, very interesting.

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cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	Hi David, thanks, so this is something for the agricultural museum herewith a picture from the other side. btw you can see a similar line on your picture from the museum. Best regards Attached Images

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	celtan, no armour is heavy enough to protect you from an enraged spouse. and atlantia, i did have that one in mind along with the asparagus pilum. we need to remember that weapons are also tools. and visa versa...and the lines can blur. SE Asia especially, neat video on using a parang: Harvesting Palm heart, sarawak. Last edited by kronckew; 13th November 2009 at 09:41 PM.

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cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	the tool of post nr 4 was also, probably, in exceptional cases, used on the battlefield. I noticed this in images of Original manuscripts from the period 1425-1450 from German speaking countries. it is partly used in a biblical story in the translation from the Latin book Speculum Humanae salvation. hero epic story? lack of real swords in time of war?, very interesting. Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 31st March 2013 at 11:01 AM.

12th November 2009, 12:16 AM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Cornelistromp, still an interesting object in its own right. It is always disappointing to find a piece which you believe is a weapon ...then to find out it is something else I have done this myself ....... a number of times ....here's one ...which others had a little fun with http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=asparagus All the best Kind Regards David

12th November 2009, 02:36 AM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Always worth looking at more modern agricultural bill-hooks (see Wikipedia on more information). They were the European equivalent of machetes, and there were many different versions of them. I suspect that a lot of what has been pictured here are either bill-hooks, or weaponized versions of them like Stone's fauchard or voulge, as the first thread noted. Best, F

12th November 2009, 09:31 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	thatching tools, particularly the eaves knives (no.5 below) - looks like a long single edged knife on a 3ft pole, look very weapon-like, as do hay knives. drawing of thatchers tools: more hay knives also come in some rather odd shapes, used for cutting hay bales and trimming hay stacks to shape. (google on 'hay knife')

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Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Remember this one? Reed/Hay knife