rare medieval weapon against heavy Armour.

cornelistromp · 11th November 2009, 03:40 PM

from own collection!

Can somebody provide some info concerning the cross mark?

thanks+regards

katana · 11th November 2009, 06:01 PM

Hi Cornelistromp,
the item looks to be more agricultural than a weapon, although a number of agricultural tools were utilised as weapons.

Unfortunately, there seems to be evidence of arc welding , a recent repair ? or worse ....an attempt to deceive. It is therefore possible that the 'blade' and the 'tang' section were originally not together.

Kind Regards David

cornelistromp · 11th November 2009, 06:36 PM

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cornelistromp · 11th November 2009, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

Hi Cornelistromp,
the item looks to be more agricultural than a weapon, although a number of agricultural tools were utilised as weapons.

Unfortunately, there seems to be evidence of arc welding , a recent repair ? or worse ....an attempt to deceive. It is therefore possible that the 'blade' and the 'tang' section were originally not together.

Kind Regards David

Hi David,
Agricultural tool,can you tell me for what purpose , have you seen something similar, maybe you can post in this thread ?

on the pictures it looks like welding because of the relief however
there are absolute no traces of welding, the parts have been hammered together when it was made approx 700 years ago.

Best regards

katana · 11th November 2009, 08:51 PM

Hi
possibly a blade from a plough (a coulter).....the first pic is of a medievel plough . The second is from the British museum and is described as .....

Iron plough coulter

Roman Britain, 1st-4th century AD
From Great Witcombe, Gloucestershire

The coulter was a technical innovation introduced to Britain by the Romans. Its function was to make a vertical cut in advance of the plough-share, which then undercut the furrow made by the coulter. This made it easier to cultivate heavy soils. Roman coulters were therefore stout knife-like iron blades with a heavy shaft by which they were secured to the plough's wooden beam.

W.H. Manning, Catalogue of the Romano-Britis (London, The British Museum Press, 1985)

Could you post a picture of the other side of the crack (shown in the first picture of your last post) as this is where I suspected the 'weld'.

Even if this is a 'coulter' .....who's to say that during war it might be utilised as a weapon.

Plough shares to swords

Best Regards David

cornelistromp · 11th November 2009, 09:06 PM

Hi David,

thanks, so this is something for the agricultural museum

herewith a picture from the other side.

btw you can see a similar line on your picture from the museum.

Best regards

katana · 11th November 2009, 11:16 PM

Hi Cornelistromp,
still an interesting object in its own right.

It is always disappointing to find a piece which you believe is a weapon ...then to find out it is something else

I have done this myself ....... a number of times

....here's one ...which others had a little fun with

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=asparagus

All the best

Kind Regards David

fearn · 12th November 2009, 01:36 AM

Always worth looking at more modern agricultural bill-hooks (see Wikipedia on more information). They were the European equivalent of machetes, and there were many different versions of them. I suspect that a lot of what has been pictured here are either bill-hooks, or weaponized versions of them like Stone's fauchard or voulge, as the first thread noted.

Best,

F

11th November 2009, 03:40 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	from own collection! Can somebody provide some info concerning the cross mark? thanks+regards Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 11th November 2009 at 03:58 PM.

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katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Cornelistromp, the item looks to be more agricultural than a weapon, although a number of agricultural tools were utilised as weapons. Unfortunately, there seems to be evidence of arc welding , a recent repair ? or worse ....an attempt to deceive. It is therefore possible that the 'blade' and the 'tang' section were originally not together. Kind Regards David Attached Images

11th November 2009, 08:51 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi possibly a blade from a plough (a coulter).....the first pic is of a medievel plough . The second is from the British museum and is described as ..... Iron plough coulter Roman Britain, 1st-4th century AD From Great Witcombe, Gloucestershire The coulter was a technical innovation introduced to Britain by the Romans. Its function was to make a vertical cut in advance of the plough-share, which then undercut the furrow made by the coulter. This made it easier to cultivate heavy soils. Roman coulters were therefore stout knife-like iron blades with a heavy shaft by which they were secured to the plough's wooden beam. W.H. Manning, Catalogue of the Romano-Britis (London, The British Museum Press, 1985) Could you post a picture of the other side of the crack (shown in the first picture of your last post) as this is where I suspected the 'weld'. Even if this is a 'coulter' .....who's to say that during war it might be utilised as a weapon. Plough shares to swords Best Regards David Attached Images

11th November 2009, 09:06 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi David, thanks, so this is something for the agricultural museum herewith a picture from the other side. btw you can see a similar line on your picture from the museum. Best regards Attached Images

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11th November 2009, 11:16 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Cornelistromp, still an interesting object in its own right. It is always disappointing to find a piece which you believe is a weapon ...then to find out it is something else I have done this myself ....... a number of times ....here's one ...which others had a little fun with http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=asparagus All the best Kind Regards David

12th November 2009, 01:36 AM	#8
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Always worth looking at more modern agricultural bill-hooks (see Wikipedia on more information). They were the European equivalent of machetes, and there were many different versions of them. I suspect that a lot of what has been pictured here are either bill-hooks, or weaponized versions of them like Stone's fauchard or voulge, as the first thread noted. Best, F