Sumatran / Bugis ID

Moshah · 31st October 2009, 01:07 PM

Whoa, David, now that is surely a Sumatran sheath! It is really identical!

Alan, when u mentioned easter island, now i remember why this piece reminds me of something else.

It surely has numerous different influences, but still now we can't really confirm where the blade should be coming from.

Sajen · 31st October 2009, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

Whoa, David, now that is surely a Sumatran sheath! It is really identical!

Alan, when u mentioned easter island, now i remember why this piece reminds me of something else.

It surely has numerous different influences, but still now we can't really confirm where the blade should be coming from.

Not a Sumatra pendok, it is a Bugis like David want to show you!

Detlef

Gustav · 31st October 2009, 03:07 PM

In some features similar keris lurus from Malay Art Gallery's sold items: http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...u_seaivory.htm
with pejetan (slightly different), sogokan, eroded greneng with ron dha nunut and eroded jenggot on a similar kembang kacang, tikel alis and sraweyan. Probably somebody can correct me.

Also for this keris blade a Sulawesi provenience is probably very questionably. It looks more like a bugis influenced culture and not bugis to me. But I must apologise, I simply have not enough knowledge to build an opinion.

A. G. Maisey · 31st October 2009, 08:23 PM

Easter Island??

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 02:56 AM

My bad, Detlef. What I meant to say is that David has shown me an identical motives to the pendok of the keris that I am posting..

Hi Gustav. Thank you very much on your opinion. I can see that you have valid ground about that. The two kerises have quite similar kembang kacang / belalai gajah, and sogokan also bears resemblance...but why would you address is as "bugis-influenced culture" instead of a bugis?

Well, Alan, pardon my typo there...definitely it's not going to go as far as Easter island! This is why I hate to write on a laptop, where the keys are dead flat!

A. G. Maisey · 1st November 2009, 08:21 AM

I loathe laptops.

An invention of Satan.

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 08:34 AM

I can see why, Alan.

However I have made the devil's pact since last year by purchasing one.

David · 1st November 2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

My bad, Detlef. What I meant to say is that David has shown me an identical motives to the pendok of the keris that I am posting..

Yes Moshah, and AFAIK this is a Sulawesi keris (mine), not Sumatran.

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 05:58 PM

Thanks for the input, Gustav. I really think you got a point there. This could be a mixed bag. However the kembang kacang has the same style with the sold bugis keris in Malay Art Gallery. It gets really confused now...

Pardon me mistakes, David. What I really meant is, when I see your pix it is clear that the pendoks are identical.

However I don't think it is safe to tag the blade according to its hilt and sheath. There are always the possibility of previous owner's preferences (in changing the hilts and sheath) and also dealer's intervention.

31st October 2009, 01:07 PM	#1
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Whoa, David, now that is surely a Sumatran sheath! It is really identical! Alan, when u mentioned easter island, now i remember why this piece reminds me of something else. It surely has numerous different influences, but still now we can't really confirm where the blade should be coming from.

31st October 2009, 03:07 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	In some features similar keris lurus from Malay Art Gallery's sold items: http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...u_seaivory.htm with pejetan (slightly different), sogokan, eroded greneng with ron dha nunut and eroded jenggot on a similar kembang kacang, tikel alis and sraweyan. Probably somebody can correct me. Also for this keris blade a Sulawesi provenience is probably very questionably. It looks more like a bugis influenced culture and not bugis to me. But I must apologise, I simply have not enough knowledge to build an opinion.

31st October 2009, 08:23 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Easter Island??

1st November 2009, 02:56 AM	#5
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	My bad, Detlef. What I meant to say is that David has shown me an identical motives to the pendok of the keris that I am posting.. Hi Gustav. Thank you very much on your opinion. I can see that you have valid ground about that. The two kerises have quite similar kembang kacang / belalai gajah, and sogokan also bears resemblance...but why would you address is as "bugis-influenced culture" instead of a bugis? Well, Alan, pardon my typo there...definitely it's not going to go as far as Easter island! This is why I hate to write on a laptop, where the keys are dead flat!

1st November 2009, 08:21 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	I loathe laptops. An invention of Satan.

1st November 2009, 08:34 AM	#7
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	I can see why, Alan. However I have made the devil's pact since last year by purchasing one.

1st November 2009, 05:58 PM	#9
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Thanks for the input, Gustav. I really think you got a point there. This could be a mixed bag. However the kembang kacang has the same style with the sold bugis keris in Malay Art Gallery. It gets really confused now... Pardon me mistakes, David. What I really meant is, when I see your pix it is clear that the pendoks are identical. However I don't think it is safe to tag the blade according to its hilt and sheath. There are always the possibility of previous owner's preferences (in changing the hilts and sheath) and also dealer's intervention.