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1st February 2009, 07:59 PM
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Identification of a prince with a Kris
This is slightly off topic but it is related to the Kris so here it goes...
Here is a picture of an indonesian prince. The period is probably around 1900. He is wearing a kris in a european style sabre holder. The kris seems Maduran to me but it is hard to tell. It is a nice kris picture to share and I hope to get some more info too.... Regards, Erik |
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1st February 2009, 11:55 PM
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Hi Erik,
did you post this on dekris too? I think that some members will know this too. The more you ask the more you will know! |
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2nd February 2009, 02:02 AM
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I don't think this is off topic, because the picture you posted is about the way to wear keris too. There are at least 4 to 5 ways to wear keris. And this is one of them, we in Jawa call this way as "anganggar" (wear keris as an 'anggar', or as a 'sabre' like you said...). The way soldiers or commander of soldiers used to wear their kerises in war time... Who is he? I am sure, this is a very popular personality, and Indonesian painter -- once wellknown also in the Netherlands and also Germany in the end of 1800s. His name is RADEN SALEH SYARIF BUSTAMAN... You may read his biography in this site http://www.bkpm.org/princeradensaleh.htm for instance... Regards, GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 2nd February 2009 at 02:12 AM. Reason: Wrong year |
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2nd February 2009, 04:22 AM
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Great info Ganja, thanks so much!
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2nd February 2009, 10:41 AM
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What a fascinating man, thanks for the link Ganjawulung
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2nd February 2009, 04:12 PM
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Many thanks Ganjawulung.
Very different from what I thought and very interesting to read about this man! Regards, Erik |
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2nd February 2009, 08:43 PM
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Amazing story ! Thanks Ganjawalung.
Erik, where is your picture from ? |
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2nd February 2009, 09:20 PM
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Hi, it is from my private collection or didn't you mean that?
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3rd February 2009, 03:40 AM
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More Raden Saleh's Painting
Yes. And these are more paintings by Raden Saleh from European collections -- I think they are all in the Netherlands, Germany or France...
http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/aria/aria_...e=&context_id= http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raden_Saleh http://www.arcadja.com/auctions/it/s...artista/62264/ GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 3rd February 2009 at 09:48 AM. |
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3rd February 2009, 08:57 AM
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Raden Saleh, the father of modern Indonesian painting. His home in Cikini, Jakarta, is now the TIM art centre.
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3rd February 2009, 10:20 AM
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What I was wondering is : Is it part of a book, or just a loose page of a book ? Best regards, Willem |
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3rd February 2009, 07:31 PM
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Hi Willem,
It is neither it is an original photo, as I mentioned form my photo collection. The format is the so called CDV (Carte de Visite). At the bottom you can see the name of the photographer in The Hague. I have a small collection of these kind of photo's mainly of officers with the Dutch Military Order of William which is a military historic interest of mine (www.mwo.6x.to). This prince had a double interest to me, the combination of interesting orders (not the aforementioned MWO) and the keris! Judging from what I have seen on the websites this is a picture not published before. Regards, Erik Quote:
Last edited by erikscollectables; 3rd February 2009 at 07:50 PM. |
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4th February 2009, 11:32 PM
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Thanks Erik,
What kind of orders is he wearing ? can you tell by this picture ? And the helmet reminds me a bit of old KNIL helments. Where variations of the KNIL helmets also used ? Best regards, Willem |
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5th February 2009, 01:36 AM
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Hullo everybody,
I just had a thought!  .... From somewhere in my dim past I remember that, while Lieutenant-General of Java, Raffles was so impressed by a young Raden Saleh that he sent him to India and recommended his superiors meet with the prince. From this meeting, Raden Saleh went on to the courts of Europe.Hope this helps someone who is interested in chasing it up. Best, |
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