Identification of a prince with a Kris
 

This is slightly off topic but it is related to the Kris so here it goes...

Here is a picture of an indonesian prince.
The period is probably around 1900.
He is wearing a kris in a european style sabre holder.
The kris seems Maduran to me but it is hard to tell.

It is a nice kris picture to share and I hope to get some more info too....

Regards, Erik

Hi Erik,

did you post this on dekris too? I think that some members will know this too. The more you ask the more you will know!

Dear Erik,

I don't think this is off topic, because the picture you posted is about the way to wear keris too. There are at least 4 to 5 ways to wear keris. And this is one of them, we in Jawa call this way as "anganggar" (wear keris as an 'anggar', or as a 'sabre' like you said...). The way soldiers or commander of soldiers used to wear their kerises in war time...

Who is he? I am sure, this is a very popular personality, and Indonesian painter -- once wellknown also in the Netherlands and also Germany in the end of 1800s. His name is RADEN SALEH SYARIF BUSTAMAN...

You may read his biography in this site http://www.bkpm.org/princeradensaleh.htm
for instance...

Regards,
GANJAWULUNG

Great info Ganja, thanks so much! :)

What a fascinating man, thanks for the link Ganjawulung
drd

Many thanks Ganjawulung.

Very different from what I thought and very interesting to read about this man!

Regards, Erik

Amazing story ! Thanks Ganjawalung.

Erik, where is your picture from ?

Hi, it is from my private collection or didn't you mean that?

More Raden Saleh's Painting
 

Yes. And these are more paintings by Raden Saleh from European collections -- I think they are all in the Netherlands, Germany or France...

http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/aria/aria_...e=&context_id=
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raden_Saleh
http://www.arcadja.com/auctions/it/s...artista/62264/

GANJAWULUNG

Raden Saleh, the father of modern Indonesian painting. His home in Cikini, Jakarta, is now the TIM art centre.

Hi Erik,

What I was wondering is :
Is it part of a book, or just a loose page of a book ?

Best regards,
Willem

Hi Willem,

It is neither it is an original photo, as I mentioned form my photo collection.
The format is the so called CDV (Carte de Visite).
At the bottom you can see the name of the photographer in The Hague.

I have a small collection of these kind of photo's mainly of officers with the Dutch Military Order of William which is a military historic interest of mine (www.mwo.6x.to). This prince had a double interest to me, the combination of interesting orders (not the aforementioned MWO) and the keris!

Judging from what I have seen on the websites this is a picture not published before.

Regards, Erik

Thanks Erik,

What kind of orders is he wearing ? can you tell by this picture ?
And the helmet reminds me a bit of old KNIL helments.

Where variations of the KNIL helmets also used ?

Best regards,
Willem

Hullo everybody,

I just had a thought! :D .... From somewhere in my dim past I remember that, while Lieutenant-General of Java, Raffles was so impressed by a young Raden Saleh that he sent him to India and recommended his superiors meet with the prince. From this meeting, Raden Saleh went on to the courts of Europe.
Hope this helps someone who is interested in chasing it up.

Best,