Yataghan translation? , great calligraphy!

Andrew · 3rd December 2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zifir

1241 (1826)

The koftgari looks to be in very good condition if it's nearly 200 years old.

Is it possible this sword was made to memorialize the massacre of the Janissary corps in 1826 by Mahmud II?

Zifir · 3rd December 2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

The koftgari looks to be in very good condition if it's nearly 200 years old.

Is it possible this sword was made to memorialize the massacre of the Janissary corps in 1826 by Mahmud II?

In fact the number (2) is partly erased, I am just guessing It's (2). Other option is to read it as 1341 (1922) but I don't know really.

Andrew · 3rd December 2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zifir

In fact the number (2) is partly erased, I am just guessing It's (2). Other option is to read it as 1341 (1922) but I don't know really.

That date makes sense: 1922 essentially saw the end of the war of independence and abolition of the Sultanate. 1923 was the year independence was ratified, however.

(got to love Wikipedia

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TVV · 3rd December 2008, 06:24 PM

To me this looks like an early 19th century piece. I do not find it that unusual for inlay to be preserved well, especially if it was well done, which appears to be the case with this quality yataghan.

Regards,
Teodor

ariel · 5th December 2008, 12:14 AM

I fully agree with Teodor: old beastie, not 20th century!!!
The brass handle and the scabbard seem to be popular in the Balkans. At least, there are quite a few in the Dora Boscovic's book on yataghans from Zagreb. and many of the early ones have pretty intact koftgari.

Gonzalo G · 5th December 2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV

To me this looks like an early 19th century piece. I do not find it that unusual for inlay to be preserved well, especially if it was well done, which appears to be the case with this quality yataghan.

Regards,
Teodor

Is it an inlay? It called my attention the lack of visible crisscross to be koftgari, it seemed too perfect, but I thought the lines were too wide to be an inlay. Altough, photograps can be tricky in relation with proportions and sizes. Yes, the apearance is more like an inlay, but I need to confirm it with you. Thank you.
Regards

Gonzalo

TVV · 5th December 2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Is it an inlay? It called my attention the lack of visible crisscross to be koftgari, it seemed too perfect, but I thought the lines were too wide to be an inlay. Altough, photograps can be tricky in relation with proportions and sizes. Yes, the apearance is more like an inlay, but I need to confirm it with you. Thank you.
Regards

Gonzalo

Gonzalo,
Just like you I am going by the pictures. Eftihis is the owner of this beautiful piece and maybe he can shed more light on the technoque used for the inscriptions.
Regards,
Teodor

Yannis · 6th December 2008, 09:48 AM

If this yataghan was not used and it was in the scabbard for 200 years it is normal that koftgari is like new.
You can notice that it is some gold missing on the back side of the blade. Exactly were it is more like to be missing, because from the contact with the throat of the scabbard anytime you push it in or you pull it out.

3rd December 2008, 06:24 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	To me this looks like an early 19th century piece. I do not find it that unusual for inlay to be preserved well, especially if it was well done, which appears to be the case with this quality yataghan. Regards, Teodor

5th December 2008, 12:14 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I fully agree with Teodor: old beastie, not 20th century!!! The brass handle and the scabbard seem to be popular in the Balkans. At least, there are quite a few in the Dora Boscovic's book on yataghans from Zagreb. and many of the early ones have pretty intact koftgari.

6th December 2008, 09:48 AM	#8
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	If this yataghan was not used and it was in the scabbard for 200 years it is normal that koftgari is like new. You can notice that it is some gold missing on the back side of the blade. Exactly were it is more like to be missing, because from the contact with the throat of the scabbard anytime you push it in or you pull it out.