Sudanese Arm Dagger For Comment

Lew · 11th February 2005, 06:01 AM

Hi Guys

Here hopefully is my last Sudanese dagger

It also has an inscription on the blade but it was very hard to photogragh so here is my poor excuse at copying the script. I also came across this Tebu dagger the interesting thing is that the scabbard has a belt loop rather than the traditional arm band loops?

Lew

Kamil · 11th February 2005, 11:01 AM

Hi Lew,
another great piece! I, personally, hope that it is not your LAST Sudanese dagger

I like to see them from time to time, and this forum seems to be more and more dominated by kerises (with all due respect to keris-lovers and kerises themselves). Concerning the inscription, the lower line resembles in shape the word "Omdurman" (again!), but written carelessly and without diacritics. The upper one is more complicated; its form can suggest that it contains a date (the elongated word "year" and the date itself above it, as in your previous piece). On the other hand, the middle part of it can be the beginning of the 20th Sura (Ta Ha); this, however, seems to me less probable, as I have never seen this kind of knives decorated with Qur'anic inscriptions and, besides, this particular fragment is not very apppropriate for decoration of arms. It is also possible that the inscription has been copied from another dagger by an illiterate artisan who tried to render the shape of what he saw without understanding it. It would be interesting to check this; could you try to photograph the inscription? Or maybe, if lines are incised (as I suppose), you can rub it through tracing paper

Kamil · 11th February 2005, 12:07 PM

Lew,
I haven't noticed the last picture (the photograph of the inscription) - it is quite good and I must correct my previous guesses concerning the lower line of text. I'm now sute that it reads "al-Khartoum", quite ornately written, in two lines. Alas - no date. Or maybe there is something more?

Dom · 13th March 2012, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Here hopefully is my last Sudanese dagger

It also has an inscription on the blade but it was very hard to photogragh so here is my poor excuse at copying the script.

Hi Lew
with a lot of delays ... but I just get back my translator

about the text
if really it has a meaning, it's not in Sudanese language
language, very similar to Egyptian
those two ligns, hasn't apparently a sense in Arabic dixit my translator

regards

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Dom

A.alnakkas · 13th March 2012, 06:05 PM

Hey Dom,

It does actually:P The top word is الخرطوم AlKhartoum and the 2nd is أم درمان Um Durman.

Dom · 13th March 2012, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

It does actually:P The top word is الخرطوم AlKhartoum and the 2nd is أم درمان Um Durman.

BRAVO ALEK you are correct
I know one, she will be teased

and "Lew" will have an enigma solved

thanks my Bro. for your help

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Dom

A.alnakkas · 13th March 2012, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

BRAVO ALEK you are correct
I know one, she will be teased

and "Lew" will have an enigma solved

thanks my Bro. for your help

à +

Dom

You are welcome! I guess I have to hide now?:P

Dom · 13th March 2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

You are welcome! I guess I have to hide now?:P

don't be worry, keep cool ...
you are in safe side, and I know how to manage "bedawiya"

à +

Dom

11th February 2005, 06:01 AM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi Guys Here hopefully is my last Sudanese dagger It also has an inscription on the blade but it was very hard to photogragh so here is my poor excuse at copying the script. I also came across this Tebu dagger the interesting thing is that the scabbard has a belt loop rather than the traditional arm band loops? Lew Attached Images Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 11th February 2005 at 11:55 AM.

11th February 2005, 11:01 AM	#2
Kamil Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Warsaw Posts: 33	Hi Lew, another great piece! I, personally, hope that it is not your LAST Sudanese dagger I like to see them from time to time, and this forum seems to be more and more dominated by kerises (with all due respect to keris-lovers and kerises themselves). Concerning the inscription, the lower line resembles in shape the word "Omdurman" (again!), but written carelessly and without diacritics. The upper one is more complicated; its form can suggest that it contains a date (the elongated word "year" and the date itself above it, as in your previous piece). On the other hand, the middle part of it can be the beginning of the 20th Sura (Ta Ha); this, however, seems to me less probable, as I have never seen this kind of knives decorated with Qur'anic inscriptions and, besides, this particular fragment is not very apppropriate for decoration of arms. It is also possible that the inscription has been copied from another dagger by an illiterate artisan who tried to render the shape of what he saw without understanding it. It would be interesting to check this; could you try to photograph the inscription? Or maybe, if lines are incised (as I suppose), you can rub it through tracing paper

11th February 2005, 12:07 PM	#3
Kamil Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Warsaw Posts: 33	Lew, I haven't noticed the last picture (the photograph of the inscription) - it is quite good and I must correct my previous guesses concerning the lower line of text. I'm now sute that it reads "al-Khartoum", quite ornately written, in two lines. Alas - no date. Or maybe there is something more?

13th March 2012, 06:05 PM	#5
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hey Dom, It does actually:P The top word is الخرطوم AlKhartoum and the 2nd is أم درمان Um Durman.