Yatagan Translation Too

Nagawarrior · 29th September 2006, 09:31 AM

I'm having a little trouble with this translation. Showed it to my Palestinian friend and he says maybe Farsi. Showed it to an Iranian acquaintance and he says maybe Arabic. I understand there is a wide range of dialects within both languages so translation can be a tough egg to crack. Hope someone can help. I posted this here a while ago but no one had a translation. Thought I'd try again since we have so many new members now. Thanks, Stephen

Zifir · 30th September 2006, 03:33 AM

Hi,
It's Turkish. That's why your palestinian said it's farsi and iranian friend said it's arabic

The first inscription is simply the owner's name: Ahmed

The second one is: Elde bıçak gerek dilde sübhan-which can be roughly translated as "One should have sword(knife) in his hands and the Subhan (popular name for Sorat Al-Isra from Quran) in his tongue."

I could only read the third and fourth inscriptions partially, I will try to give it more thought.

Best,

Nagawarrior · 30th September 2006, 02:48 PM

Thank you Zifir. I appreciate your help. I will try to take pitures of the other side of the sword. I think there may be more to translate, like a date or sword maker.

ariel · 30th September 2006, 04:22 PM

Very pretty color of the handle!

Nagawarrior · 30th September 2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Very pretty color of the handle!

Thank you for your comment. The patina gives the ivory a pretty color. Here are a couple closer shots of the handle.

Flavio · 30th September 2006, 07:58 PM

Beautiful Yataghan!!!! Congratulations

Nagawarrior · 1st October 2006, 01:21 AM

Here are the photos of the other areas of the Yatagan for translation as promised.

I am wondering if the handle is marine ivory or elephant. I was told that if it has the tapioca pudding look it is marine.

Flavio · 1st October 2006, 10:26 AM

Yeah, i think it's walrus. Very rich patination!!!

Zifir · 1st October 2006, 06:53 PM

It seems it will not be possible for me to read those words which I am missing in the inscription for the near future.

So I will give you what I have so far.

İlahi dilerim senden ....... (O God! I wish .......from you)

Bu ..... sahibine olsun mübarek (May this ......be blessed and propitious for its owner) the word that I could not read most probably referring to yatagan but no idea what that word is.

Amel-i Hasan (Swordmaker Hasan)

I could recognize the number '88' here but no idea for the rest

Battara · 1st October 2006, 07:29 PM

I agree with Flavio, the grip is made of two pieces of walrus ivory.

Interesting to see the silver inlayed instead of koftgari. Not rare, but not as common as koftgari.

29th September 2006, 09:31 AM	#1
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Yatagan Translation Too I'm having a little trouble with this translation. Showed it to my Palestinian friend and he says maybe Farsi. Showed it to an Iranian acquaintance and he says maybe Arabic. I understand there is a wide range of dialects within both languages so translation can be a tough egg to crack. Hope someone can help. I posted this here a while ago but no one had a translation. Thought I'd try again since we have so many new members now. Thanks, Stephen

30th September 2006, 03:33 AM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, It's Turkish. That's why your palestinian said it's farsi and iranian friend said it's arabic The first inscription is simply the owner's name: Ahmed The second one is: Elde bıçak gerek dilde sübhan-which can be roughly translated as "One should have sword(knife) in his hands and the Subhan (popular name for Sorat Al-Isra from Quran) in his tongue." I could only read the third and fourth inscriptions partially, I will try to give it more thought. Best,

30th September 2006, 02:48 PM	#3
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Thank you Zifir. I appreciate your help. I will try to take pitures of the other side of the sword. I think there may be more to translate, like a date or sword maker.

30th September 2006, 04:22 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Very pretty color of the handle!

30th September 2006, 07:58 PM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Beautiful Yataghan!!!! Congratulations

1st October 2006, 01:21 AM	#7
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Here are the photos of the other areas of the Yatagan for translation as promised. I am wondering if the handle is marine ivory or elephant. I was told that if it has the tapioca pudding look it is marine.

1st October 2006, 10:26 AM	#8
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Yeah, i think it's walrus. Very rich patination!!!

1st October 2006, 06:53 PM	#9
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	It seems it will not be possible for me to read those words which I am missing in the inscription for the near future. So I will give you what I have so far. İlahi dilerim senden ....... (O God! I wish .......from you) Bu ..... sahibine olsun mübarek (May this ......be blessed and propitious for its owner) the word that I could not read most probably referring to yatagan but no idea what that word is. Amel-i Hasan (Swordmaker Hasan) I could recognize the number '88' here but no idea for the rest

1st October 2006, 07:29 PM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I agree with Flavio, the grip is made of two pieces of walrus ivory. Interesting to see the silver inlayed instead of koftgari. Not rare, but not as common as koftgari.