Old handcannon with smaller breech

M ELEY · 25th August 2025, 06:49 PM

Hello and welcome to the Forum. I am a novice when it comes to these items and I know some of our old Forum folks that dealt with these extensively are unfortunately no longer with us.

However, there are still a few out there and hopefully they will respond. I must say it is an amazing hand cannon and if you did the replacement work yourself, you did an amazing job! The angled touch hole does raise a few questions. I know with thunder mugs, the touch holes that had an angled 'pocket' for the powder/fuse were because they were signal cannon meant to be placed flat against the ground, thereby making the touch hole facing upwards. This cannon appears to be a true firearm with it's larger size, so I'm not necessarily suggesting it's a "mug", but again, maybe an expert will come through on this. Anyone??

Lead Snowstorm · 26th August 2025, 03:20 AM

Most of the noisemakers I’ve seen required a flash pan (as you mention) to hold the priming charge - this one doesn’t have a pan at all. And I must also admit I’ve not seen one of those upright noisemakers with a narrower breech - usually they were swamped wider at the breech to enable them to stand up. So I do agree this one is most likely not a thunder mug.

I cannot take credit for the stock - it came to me that way. I definitely agree, whoever made it did a great job!

Ed · 7th September 2025, 11:01 PM

Lovely Hussite type hand cannon. Had my eye on one that was sold at auction then with a dealer in Florida.
ETA Definitively not a noisemaker.

Lead Snowstorm · 8th September 2025, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

Lovely Hussite type hand cannon. Had my eye on one that was sold at auction then with a dealer in Florida.
ETA Definitively not a noisemaker.

I suspect that was this very piece - Czerny’s December 2023?

Ed · 9th September 2025, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lead Snowstorm

I suspect that was this very piece - Czerny’s December 2023?

Yes but a dealer in Miami had it more recently. That where you got it?

Lead Snowstorm · 10th September 2025, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

Yes but a dealer in Miami had it more recently. That where you got it?

It is.

Ed · 10th September 2025, 01:29 PM

He is an old pal, you did good. Ever want to dump it call me.

26th August 2025, 03:20 AM	#2
Lead Snowstorm Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 21	Most of the noisemakers I’ve seen required a flash pan (as you mention) to hold the priming charge - this one doesn’t have a pan at all. And I must also admit I’ve not seen one of those upright noisemakers with a narrower breech - usually they were swamped wider at the breech to enable them to stand up. So I do agree this one is most likely not a thunder mug. I cannot take credit for the stock - it came to me that way. I definitely agree, whoever made it did a great job! Last edited by Lead Snowstorm; 26th August 2025 at 04:56 PM.

7th September 2025, 11:01 PM	#3
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 282	Lovely Hussite type hand cannon. Had my eye on one that was sold at auction then with a dealer in Florida. ETA Definitively not a noisemaker. Attached Images

25th August 2025, 06:49 PM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,201	Hello and welcome to the Forum. I am a novice when it comes to these items and I know some of our old Forum folks that dealt with these extensively are unfortunately no longer with us. However, there are still a few out there and hopefully they will respond. I must say it is an amazing hand cannon and if you did the replacement work yourself, you did an amazing job! The angled touch hole does raise a few questions. I know with thunder mugs, the touch holes that had an angled 'pocket' for the powder/fuse were because they were signal cannon meant to be placed flat against the ground, thereby making the touch hole facing upwards. This cannon appears to be a true firearm with it's larger size, so I'm not necessarily suggesting it's a "mug", but again, maybe an expert will come through on this. Anyone??

10th September 2025, 01:29 PM	#7
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 282	He is an old pal, you did good. Ever want to dump it call me.