Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

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King Louis II of Hungary 1526.
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/4158

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Rákóczi Zsigmond 1607. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/2250

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King Miksa of Hungary => Gergely Koroknay of Somogyi 1573. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/2001

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King János I of Hungary grants Sandrin Bakács of Szentgyörgyvölgyi CoA, 1532. One of the first evidences for boot hilt and knuckle bow https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1999

[awdaniec666]

Originally Posted by Teisani

One of the first evidences for boot hilt and knuckle bow

Is this term "boot hilt" used in Hungarian or any other language? Fits well to describe that construction.

[Teisani]

Originally Posted by awdaniec666

Is this term "boot hilt" used in Hungarian or any other language? Fits well to describe that construction.

I remember seeing this term somewhere online many years ago. I like using it, it's short and descriptive. I don't remember if it was ever used in published literature.

I also propose the term banana-hilts for these:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...4&postcount=20
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...0&postcount=21
This term will be my contribution to science and humanity. People will forget about that pretender Gilgamesh and instead write stories on clay tablets about me.

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Hungarian king Miksa => Imre Orlle of Karva, Miklós Orlle of Karva | renewal of coat of arms 1571. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1331

[awdaniec666]

Originally Posted by Teisani

I also propose the term banana-hilts for these

Speaking about those, banana-hilt is the better choice in comparison to an obvious alternative which found its way into nomenclature of medieval daggers

Originally Posted by Teisani

Figure 8 koncerz from 1559

Could be as well a side-sword or rapier in my opinion but I guess thats of minor importance. Again, I think one of, if not the most important specifications of a Koncerz is it´s role as a sword-lance from horseback with a lenght that was unsuitable for mounting it on a persons belt The use of piercing swords from horseback and the possibility to use them on foot would have been extensive and reality would most probably allow no clear dinstinction between types (as can be observed in the discussion about Szabl(y)a, Pallasch, Kard, Koncerz and so on). In todays discussion however a more or less clear nomenclature can help in the discussion and I think we should open up a thread someday to discuss that matter especially for east-central to east European arms and armour on the background of successful Western-European paragon.