Karud dagger with unusual chased scabbard

[Ren Ren]

It is well known that Nepalese khukris were used in Afghanistan. I see no reason why reverse borrowing could not take place in the field of weapons.

[Ren Ren]

Let's not forget that in 1791-92 Sino-Tibetan troops captured half of Nepal and stood at the walls of Kathmandu. Emperor Qianlong forced the rulers of Nepal to recognize vassalage and pay tribute. Which was paid until 1911.

[ariel]

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

Let's not forget that in 1791-92 Sino-Tibetan troops captured half of Nepal and stood at the walls of Kathmandu. Emperor Qianlong forced the rulers of Nepal to recognize vassalage and pay tribute. Which was paid until 1911.

Sorry, but I must be missing how that would bring Afghani pesh kabzes to Nepal. Must be getting old and slow....:-(((

[francantolin]

I just receveided my new toy !

The hilt must be ivory ( elefant as Ariel said ) and a repaires piece made of resin...

The scabbard seems made for the blade,
not shortened...
The mounts fits good too .
The foliage work suggests me mongolian ( saw look like embossed silver work with stylised clous...)
or Himalayan origin as we said.
( coincidence ,the karud come home with snow falls today )
I forgot to mention it: dagger length 46cm,
52-53 cm with scabbard

[francantolin]

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[francantolin]

And etched blade!
Couldn't resist

[BBking]

Really interesting find !

This one, not the same but a nepalese ivory dagger
from the MET, with a ''pesh-kabz... shape''
contrary to the usual nepalese knives or kukhris.

Really old , Dated 1650-1700...

[ariel]

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

It is well known that Nepalese khukris were used in Afghanistan. I see no reason why reverse borrowing could not take place in the field of weapons.

Very intriguing idea, I never considered it. My main hesitation is that weapons travel not necessarily in a " two way" fashion. Japanese adopted European side weapons, but AFAIK no European military adopted wakizashis or tantos. Indians adopted Persian shamshirs, khanjars and pesh kabzes, but Persia never adopted Indian tulwars, khandas, chillanums or bichwas. Nepalese and Tibetans were both using koras, but Tibetans did not have kukris and Nepalese did not have straight Tibetan swords.

Reasoning aside, can you help me with any factual evidence that Pesh Kabzes ( "Karuds") were used in Nepal, perhaps outside of their potential presence in museum exhibitions and private Nepalese collections?

How about regulation military weapons?