interesting Persian item

kronckew · 4th May 2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Interesting. "Jeb" Stuart's hanging hook differs a bit from the oriental examples. Something like that was in use from Zaporozhian Cossacks to India.
Much better mechanics.

The Jeb Stuart one can be fitted with an optional hook like your cossack one. Many US & UK sword belts come with a hook either on a belt slider like the cossack one (I've seen similar from china, in bronze or even jade.) My Jeb is illustrated below. It allows the straps to hang in the correct plane.

It's for hooking the sabre's upper scabbard ring when you are on foot, or unhooking to let the scabbard hang on it's leather straps when on horse. It is NOT for hanging the straps. My US style Naval sword belt has a built-in hook where the sword scabbard ring sits.it also has the short leather strap attached to the top scabbard ring via a snap swivel hook, and a loop at the other end to slip over the belt itself, and the longer strap attaches to the lower scabbard ring via a swivel snap hook. See below, under the Jeb one. The USCG stopped riding horses after WW2, but kept the sword belt arrangement justincase.

An interestin video on how to wear your scabbard, with the sword in it of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHLh3VQGrHI
It shows a variety of fitting-less as well as straps with fittings thru the ages.

Anyway, a moot point if it is indeed an Indonesian harness fitting

Gustav · 4th May 2021, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

Anyway, a moot point if it is indeed an Indonesian harness fitting

https://www.roots.gov.sg/Collection-...isting/1039944

kronckew · 4th May 2021, 03:11 PM

Aha! So, the earlier Cossack one, as I suspected, was not for hooking your sword scabbard to, like the US/UK belt fitting is.

So the Original poster's thingamy is still a wotsit.

Gustav · 4th May 2021, 08:18 PM

These Javanese reins holders even did made their appearance here a time ago.
(Indeed not so much to do with Cossacks and sword scabbard hooking.)

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18838

RSWORD · 7th May 2021, 02:03 PM

The book "Persian Steel, The Tanavoli Collection" if I recall has some similar examples. If memory serves me they are also identified as a flint striker.

4th May 2021, 03:11 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	Aha! So, the earlier Cossack one, as I suspected, was not for hooking your sword scabbard to, like the US/UK belt fitting is. So the Original poster's thingamy is still a wotsit.

4th May 2021, 08:18 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	These Javanese reins holders even did made their appearance here a time ago. (Indeed not so much to do with Cossacks and sword scabbard hooking.) http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18838

7th May 2021, 02:03 PM	#5
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,086	The book "Persian Steel, The Tanavoli Collection" if I recall has some similar examples. If memory serves me they are also identified as a flint striker.