Help requested on Islamic? inscriptions on a heavy axe

DavidFriedman · 18th April 2021, 08:02 AM

Here is a page from a Turkish book, that illustrates these axes.

DavidFriedman · 27th April 2021, 05:15 AM

I’d be very curious if anyone would have any thoughts or information on who would have used these axes. Perhaps palace guards, perhaps Dervishes, parade pieces ?

kronckew · 27th April 2021, 06:08 AM

I just noticed the hammer polls show a lot of use, wear, deformation, tho the blade is unsharpened, like it was not intended to actually hurt someone. Possibly for religious reasons? Dervish?

Wear is consistent with hammering, like tent pegs, nails/spikes, etc.

p.s. - That Royal Ontario Museum really needs to do some maintenance & get rid of the active rust & use a bit of ren wax.

DavidFriedman · 2nd May 2021, 06:27 AM

Yes, the hammer has a heavy dent in the corner. It must have hit something mighty solid at some point.

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Originally Posted by kronckew

I just noticed the hammer polls show a lot of use, wear, deformation, tho the blade is unsharpened, like it was not intended to actually hurt someone. Possibly for religious reasons? Dervish?

Wear is consistent with hammering, like tent pegs, nails/spikes, etc.

p.s. - That Royal Ontario Museum really needs to do some maintenance & get rid of the active rust & use a bit of ren wax.

Kubur · 27th April 2021, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

Here is a page from a Turkish book, that illustrates these axes.

Well, I have this Turkish book and many weapons are labelled as Ottomans and they are not.

It's a classic. Iranians and Indians are doing the same, everything in their country has to be from their country. I don't know if it is a mistake or just nationalism.

The axe posted is attributed to the Ottomans based on the Royal Ontario mistake.

This axe is Persian, probably for religious or theatrical representations.

IMO

DavidFriedman · 2nd May 2021, 06:25 AM

Persian, possibly presented to, or kept in the Ottoman collection?

I see lots of light dervish and Shiite type (I’m assuming) axes. This one is like a sledgehammer, between 4-5 lbs. Seems heavy for a wandering dervish or theater.

I wonder if it could have been used like a mace to crush armor.

If it was used in a religious event, what would it have been used for I wonder.

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Well, I have this Turkish book and many weapons are labelled as Ottomans and they are not.

It's a classic. Iranians and Indians are doing the same, everything in their country has to be from their country. I don't know if it is a mistake or just nationalism.

The axe posted is attributed to the Ottomans based on the Royal Ontario mistake.

This axe is Persian, probably for religious or theatrical representations.

IMO

Kubur · 2nd May 2021, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

Persian, possibly presented to, or kept in the Ottoman collection?

Sorry David I missed your post.

You are correct, many Persian and Caucasian weapons are in Turkish collections.
See post 22
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...0&postcount=22

Post 18 shows real Turkish axes
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...3&postcount=18

Post 17 close ups show decorations, calligraphy and the bird of prey are designs from Indo Persian repertoire, nothing Ottoman there.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=17

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Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

If it was used in a religious event, what would it have been used for I wonder.

Just for processions and parades I guess...

DavidFriedman · 4th May 2021, 05:37 AM

Thanks. So the bird of prey motif shown on these axes, is distinct to just Persia?

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Sorry David I missed your post.

You are correct, many Persian and Caucasian weapons are in Turkish collections.
See post 22
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...0&postcount=22

Post 18 shows real Turkish axes
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...3&postcount=18

Post 17 close ups show decorations, calligraphy and the bird of prey are designs from Indo Persian repertoire, nothing Ottoman there.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=17

Just for processions and parades I guess...

Kubur · 5th May 2021, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

Thanks. So the bird of prey motif shown on these axes, is distinct to just Persia?

Correct the bird with a prey or the leopard with a prey /gazelle are common on axes and Iranian daggers, or indo persian arms. Look at mine here.

18th April 2021, 08:02 AM	#1
DavidFriedman Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 113	Anatolia, Cradle of Casting book Here is a page from a Turkish book, that illustrates these axes. Attached Images

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DavidFriedman Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 113	Axe bearers I’d be very curious if anyone would have any thoughts or information on who would have used these axes. Perhaps palace guards, perhaps Dervishes, parade pieces ?

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	I just noticed the hammer polls show a lot of use, wear, deformation, tho the blade is unsharpened, like it was not intended to actually hurt someone. Possibly for religious reasons? Dervish? Wear is consistent with hammering, like tent pegs, nails/spikes, etc. p.s. - That Royal Ontario Museum really needs to do some maintenance & get rid of the active rust & use a bit of ren wax. Last edited by kronckew; 27th April 2021 at 06:18 AM.