kindjal - what kind of technique is it ?

ham · 17th May 2006, 04:13 PM

Hello Rivkin,

This is acid etching to simulate a damask, it was probably done in Tiflis.

Sincerely,

Ham

ariel · 17th May 2006, 07:10 PM

Very nice job. It has certain chaos in it, as opposed to the "fuller job" that is so often seen, and it imitates damascus so well that even Kirill was uncertain

Could we see the rest of this Kindjal?

Rivkin · 29th May 2006, 09:47 PM

Hello,

Ham - excellent, right on target. Kindjal is indeed from Georgia, but I was truly puzzled by the technique. Thank you very much.

Ariel - well, not all of us are senseis

, plus I really suck in understanding the metalwork.

Attached are kindjal's pictures.

Rivkin · 29th May 2006, 09:51 PM

To continue our kindjal's discussion - the first is an interesting georgian (?), even more precisely imeretian (??) speciman. The most interesting are the fullers - inside them one can see a set of extemely small dots, creating a highly unusual pattern. I have no idea what it is, it is far smaller and spatially irregular, i.e. the dots are very small, than any etching I have seen.

Rivkin · 29th May 2006, 09:55 PM

And finally - sorry, these are the only pictures I have on this one. Sort of way too expensive for me. My take would be that it is something from eastern, probably south-eastern caucases, seen many of them with similar motiffs.

ariel · 30th May 2006, 04:01 AM

Acid-etching within the fullers is esthetically appealing and structurally safe.
But the more I look at the first one (total blade etching), the less I like the potential effects on the edge: seems to me that acid ate through quite a lot of steel and some areas of the edge became thin and prone to breaking. This is likely the cause of many "non-traumatic" nicks.

Rivkin · 30th May 2006, 04:48 AM

Oh, I believe this kindjal is not for real use, sort of late XIXth century art-nuovo poking stick.

I really like the second one nevertheless - truly beutiful, like starry night. Can it be formed by etching or something more complex was used.

29th May 2006, 09:47 PM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Hello, Ham - excellent, right on target. Kindjal is indeed from Georgia, but I was truly puzzled by the technique. Thank you very much. Ariel - well, not all of us are senseis , plus I really suck in understanding the metalwork. Attached are kindjal's pictures. Attached Images

29th May 2006, 09:51 PM	#4
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	To continue our kindjal's discussion - the first is an interesting georgian (?), even more precisely imeretian (??) speciman. The most interesting are the fullers - inside them one can see a set of extemely small dots, creating a highly unusual pattern. I have no idea what it is, it is far smaller and spatially irregular, i.e. the dots are very small, than any etching I have seen. Attached Images

29th May 2006, 09:55 PM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	And finally - sorry, these are the only pictures I have on this one. Sort of way too expensive for me. My take would be that it is something from eastern, probably south-eastern caucases, seen many of them with similar motiffs. Attached Images

17th May 2006, 04:13 PM	#1
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	Hello Rivkin, This is acid etching to simulate a damask, it was probably done in Tiflis. Sincerely, Ham

17th May 2006, 07:10 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Very nice job. It has certain chaos in it, as opposed to the "fuller job" that is so often seen, and it imitates damascus so well that even Kirill was uncertain Could we see the rest of this Kindjal?

30th May 2006, 04:01 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Acid-etching within the fullers is esthetically appealing and structurally safe. But the more I look at the first one (total blade etching), the less I like the potential effects on the edge: seems to me that acid ate through quite a lot of steel and some areas of the edge became thin and prone to breaking. This is likely the cause of many "non-traumatic" nicks.

30th May 2006, 04:48 AM	#7
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Oh, I believe this kindjal is not for real use, sort of late XIXth century art-nuovo poking stick. I really like the second one nevertheless - truly beutiful, like starry night. Can it be formed by etching or something more complex was used.