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Old 26th July 2020, 11:57 AM   #1
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I found this between a catch of fish in the noth sea outside de river thames
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Old 27th July 2020, 06:27 AM   #2
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Interesting! Is there a touchhole drilled into one side of the barrel, at the rear, that connects with the bore? Any markings? How is the smaller-diameter "stem" in back attached -- does it look like a separate piece screwed in or brazed on, or does this thing look like it was cast in one piece? Finally, what kind of alloy do you think the metal is -- bronze, brass, or just copper?
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Interesting! Is there a touchhole drilled into one side of the barrel, at the rear, that connects with the bore? Any markings? How is the smaller-diameter "stem" in back attached -- does it look like a separate piece screwed in or brazed on, or does this thing look like it was cast in one piece? Finally, what kind of alloy do you think the metal is -- bronze, brass, or just copper?

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Thre is a small hole at the end the last part close to the thread
Is made from bronze i thinck
As far i can see it looks made in one piece
The last part above the thread is conical made
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Old 2nd August 2020, 05:04 PM   #4
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Interesting! Is there a touchhole drilled into one side of the barrel, at the rear, that connects with the bore? Any markings? How is the smaller-diameter "stem" in back attached -- does it look like a separate piece screwed in or brazed on, or does this thing look like it was cast in one piece? Finally, what kind of alloy do you think the metal is -- bronze, brass, or just copper?

Hoi Philip
Thre is a small hole at the end the last part close to the thread
Is made from bronze i thinck
As far i can see it looks made in one piece
The last part above the thread is conical made
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Old 27th July 2020, 07:25 PM   #5
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I found this between a catch of fish in the noth sea outside de river thames
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Interesting piece, could you send me some more HD pictures please?
What is the bore diameter? Looks like a small caliber.
The threaded haft is something i never have seen before either. Very cool piece.
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Old 28th July 2020, 05:14 PM   #6
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Marcus, are you determining that this is an actual cannon barrel ?
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Old 28th July 2020, 05:37 PM   #7
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Marcus, are you determining that this is an actual cannon barrel ?
Could be Nando, though i wouldnt rule a candlestick out either.

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Here is a picture of a 16th century candlestick. Take away the bottom and top..?
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Old 2nd August 2020, 10:24 AM   #8
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Hi Patrick,

Interesting piece, could you send me some more HD pictures please?
What is the bore diameter? Looks like a small caliber.
The threaded haft is something i never have seen before either. Very cool piece.

Hoi Marcus
The bore hole is 17 mm and on the end close to the thread ther is a small hole and inside as far i can see there are groves
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Hoi Marcus
The bore hole is 17 mm and on the end close to the thread ther is a small hole and inside as far i can see there are groves
Hi Patrick,

Could you show us a picture of the possible touchhole please?
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Could you show us a picture of the possible touchhole please?
I hope you have something on the fotos
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Looks like a touch hole indeed.
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Hoi Marcus
The bore hole is 17 mm and on the end close to the thread ther is a small hole and inside as far i can see there are groves
Thank you, Patrick, for all the info you have given us so far. Now about those grooves -- how many and when you shine a light inside, do they look straight or spiraled? Can you tell approximately how deep each groove is?

When you stick a rod down the bore, does it go all the way to the touchhole? Or might there be something inside that plugs it up before then?
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