Kaskara Fuller Styles and Some Blade Marks--a third essay for discussion

Ian · 10th September 2018, 10:37 PM

Hi Ed.
I wonder if the added piece under the langet may be a repair. Perhaps a broken tang. I’ve seen similar additions on Moro swords for repairing damaged tangs.
Ian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edster

The images attached are of the Suliman Makhummas kaskara collected by the 4th Irish Dragoon Guards in 1882 as referenced in the RDGAC text linked above. They were provided recently for use by permission of the York Army Museum who requested notice of images copyright by the Museum.

This before 1882 sword is significant as it is at least a generation before the c.1914 Makhummas the example in Fig. 14 above. Also the quillon is similar to the 1914 example. There appears to be a blade reinforcing piece under the langet.

Special thanks to Aline Staes, Collections Manager, York Army Museum.

Ed

Edster · 11th September 2018, 03:22 AM

Ian,

Yes, that was my thought as well. I have requested an oblique pic of that section and further assessment. A repair would be testimony to the common breakage of native blades during the Mahdiya period.

Ed

Kubur · 11th September 2018, 09:09 AM

Broken or sometimes just too short

I've seen the same on Persian dagger tangs, two pieces of metal to hold firmly the blade.

Is it the same with the tabouka, you've sometimes two pieces of metal at the forte with rivets?

Edster · 11th September 2018, 01:47 PM

Kubur, you could well be correct. RDGAC's assessment of the tabs on sword #3 are:

Quote: "At said base are a pair of large tabs, seemingly forge-welded or similar to the flats of the blade, and presumably intended to broaden it a little and allow the cross-guard and grip a firmer attachment to the base and tang, though that's probably an erroneous presumption."

Regards,
Ed

CharlesS · 17th September 2018, 04:12 PM

The best and the most info I have ever seen on the kaskara in one place. Thanks, contributors!

Edster · 17th September 2018, 10:16 PM

Thanks Charles. The piece would have been very bland without the sword image postings and discussions by fellow Forum members. My thanks to them as well.

Best regards,
Ed

Edster · 31st December 2018, 04:36 PM

The .pdf and printable version of this essay is now available on the EAA Geographical Index as "Kaskara Fuller Styles and Names"

or directly via this link.

http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/...ra_fullers.pdf

I am indebted to Lee Jones who's layout and editing skills converted the raw thread into a professional document. Also, a special thanks to Ian Greaves who converted my original text and images into a readable thread.

I also appreciate the valuable insights of various Forum Members who added their comments and images to the original thread. It took all of us to produce a useful and I believe significant document.

Best regards,
Ed Hunley

11th September 2018, 03:22 AM	#2
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 415	Ian, Yes, that was my thought as well. I have requested an oblique pic of that section and further assessment. A repair would be testimony to the common breakage of native blades during the Mahdiya period. Ed

11th September 2018, 09:09 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Broken or sometimes just too short I've seen the same on Persian dagger tangs, two pieces of metal to hold firmly the blade. Is it the same with the tabouka, you've sometimes two pieces of metal at the forte with rivets?

11th September 2018, 01:47 PM	#4
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 415	Kubur, you could well be correct. RDGAC's assessment of the tabs on sword #3 are: Quote: "At said base are a pair of large tabs, seemingly forge-welded or similar to the flats of the blade, and presumably intended to broaden it a little and allow the cross-guard and grip a firmer attachment to the base and tang, though that's probably an erroneous presumption." Regards, Ed

17th September 2018, 04:12 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	The best and the most info I have ever seen on the kaskara in one place. Thanks, contributors!

17th September 2018, 10:16 PM	#6
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 415	Thanks Charles. The piece would have been very bland without the sword image postings and discussions by fellow Forum members. My thanks to them as well. Best regards, Ed

31st December 2018, 04:36 PM	#7
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 415	The .pdf and printable version of this essay is now available on the EAA Geographical Index as "Kaskara Fuller Styles and Names" or directly via this link. http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/...ra_fullers.pdf I am indebted to Lee Jones who's layout and editing skills converted the raw thread into a professional document. Also, a special thanks to Ian Greaves who converted my original text and images into a readable thread. I also appreciate the valuable insights of various Forum Members who added their comments and images to the original thread. It took all of us to produce a useful and I believe significant document. Best regards, Ed Hunley