The EARLY MAKERS TRADE MARKS thread... lost and partly restored.

Victrix · 26th January 2018, 07:31 PM

I think the three dots with sickle marks tend to be associated with Northern Italy and may represent the Holy Trinity or some say, even grapes.

Maybe the four dots represent some kind of Gothic quatrefoil/kleeblatt which in turn may represent a cross or the four gospels in the New Testament (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). It may just be a kind of superstitious good luck sign or blessing. I was just wondering because because it seemed to replace the ”Pottenstein” engraved example in Wagner’s book.

ariel · 26th January 2018, 10:07 PM

Victrix,
Please show the entire sword and separately the handle.
There seems to be a twist that pushes me toward Georgian Khmali. I may be wrong, but need better pics.

Victrix · 26th January 2018, 11:24 PM

Ariel, I may have expressed myself in a clumsy way. Only the first sword is mine. It was presented in a previous thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23528

I found the picture of the second sword in the forum elsewhere and posted it only for comparison to show the gurda marks. My question is if anyone is familiar with the four dots mark shown on the sabre in the first picture.

fernando · 6th February 2018, 02:49 PM

Just one last note on the four dots symbol ... as once posted HERE

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Victrix · 6th February 2018, 06:58 PM

Yes there is that mark again. Many thanks, Fernando. Interesting. Until I’m enlightened further I’m inclined to believe that the mark is either religious (cross symbol) or something marking good iron/steel. Or could be both: a foundry mark by a religious smith!

6th February 2018, 02:49 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Just one last note on the four dots symbol ... as once posted HERE . Attached Images

26th January 2018, 07:31 PM	#1
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	I think the three dots with sickle marks tend to be associated with Northern Italy and may represent the Holy Trinity or some say, even grapes. Maybe the four dots represent some kind of Gothic quatrefoil/kleeblatt which in turn may represent a cross or the four gospels in the New Testament (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). It may just be a kind of superstitious good luck sign or blessing. I was just wondering because because it seemed to replace the ”Pottenstein” engraved example in Wagner’s book.

26th January 2018, 10:07 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Victrix, Please show the entire sword and separately the handle. There seems to be a twist that pushes me toward Georgian Khmali. I may be wrong, but need better pics.

26th January 2018, 11:24 PM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Ariel, I may have expressed myself in a clumsy way. Only the first sword is mine. It was presented in a previous thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23528 I found the picture of the second sword in the forum elsewhere and posted it only for comparison to show the gurda marks. My question is if anyone is familiar with the four dots mark shown on the sabre in the first picture.

6th February 2018, 06:58 PM	#5
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Yes there is that mark again. Many thanks, Fernando. Interesting. Until I’m enlightened further I’m inclined to believe that the mark is either religious (cross symbol) or something marking good iron/steel. Or could be both: a foundry mark by a religious smith!