An early English dog lock musket

M ELEY · 25th November 2017, 10:42 PM

"If you get a chance, can you take a couple more photos of the frizzen and pan area from different angles ? Thanks."

Rick

Absolutely, Rick, and this time with a cell phone that takes better pics than that crappy digital camera I bought. Once again, thank you for all of the information you have relayed to me about this piece. Also, thanks to Marcus, Richard, Fernando and Phillip for your comments and knowledge. It is not my specialty, so I will definitely be saving all your info for my records. Thanks!
Mark

Pukka Bundook · 26th November 2017, 05:08 AM

Mark,

It I sOur privilege to view this new gun of yours! Very hard to find in the wild!

Rick, Keep us posted on the build utilizing this lock.
It looks like it's uncle was a Baltic lock....
It also looks simple enough to build. I Must try one, hopefully Soon!
Is your lock based on this one? I had it saved as Must Make!

The Torador will do better with wads I'm thinking, as the little -short homemade Tusco-Emilian likes them. Yes, pre-lubed as you suggested!.

rickystl · 26th November 2017, 04:00 PM

Hi Richard

I am sure this Baltic lock is a close cousin of the one I posted. The similarities are unmistakable. One unique feature on the Baltic lock, which you can't see in this one photo, is the striking surface of the frizzen is "L" shaped. The L at the bottom of the frizzen being used as a pan cover. Must have been some of the first thoughts at making the frizzen and pan cover one piece construction.
Here is another Baltic lock showing this detail. As well, this lock still retains a matchlock style pan cover. LOL But it does show the continued experimentation of lock developement.

Rick

rickystl · 26th November 2017, 04:29 PM

Yet another "transition" style of lock. This is what is commonly referred to by collectors as the English lock. Sometimes referred to as the Jacobian lock.
Probably developed at/just before the early phase of the English Civil War period. Here we see the standardization of the frizzen and pan cover being one-piece construction. As well as the addition of the "dog" style external safety catch. Yet still retaining the horizontal sear, external hammer stop, and bridle arrangement from the snaphaunce lock period.
Progress was slow back in this period. But it never the less continued on it's way to the eventual "French" style flintlock.
Of interest, during the English Civil War period there would have been matchlocks, wheellocks, snaphaunces, English locks, and early forms of doglocks all being utilized at the same time. I'm sure that many matchlocks during this period were re-fitted with one of these lock variations.
This style of English lock must have been popular as there were locks/fragments found in diggings from the northest New England area of the USA.

Rick

fernando · 26th November 2017, 05:13 PM

End of context Rick ?

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rickystl · 26th November 2017, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

End of context Rick ?

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Hi Fernando.

LOL. Yes, I'll stop here.

Rick

rickystl · 26th November 2017, 05:37 PM

We'll wait for additional pics of Mark's lock. Thanks.

Rick

26th November 2017, 05:08 AM	#2
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Mark, It I sOur privilege to view this new gun of yours! Very hard to find in the wild! Rick, Keep us posted on the build utilizing this lock. It looks like it's uncle was a Baltic lock.... It also looks simple enough to build. I Must try one, hopefully Soon! Is your lock based on this one? I had it saved as Must Make! The Torador will do better with wads I'm thinking, as the little -short homemade Tusco-Emilian likes them. Yes, pre-lubed as you suggested!. Attached Images

26th November 2017, 04:00 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Richard I am sure this Baltic lock is a close cousin of the one I posted. The similarities are unmistakable. One unique feature on the Baltic lock, which you can't see in this one photo, is the striking surface of the frizzen is "L" shaped. The L at the bottom of the frizzen being used as a pan cover. Must have been some of the first thoughts at making the frizzen and pan cover one piece construction. Here is another Baltic lock showing this detail. As well, this lock still retains a matchlock style pan cover. LOL But it does show the continued experimentation of lock developement. Rick Attached Images

26th November 2017, 04:29 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Yet another "transition" style of lock. This is what is commonly referred to by collectors as the English lock. Sometimes referred to as the Jacobian lock. Probably developed at/just before the early phase of the English Civil War period. Here we see the standardization of the frizzen and pan cover being one-piece construction. As well as the addition of the "dog" style external safety catch. Yet still retaining the horizontal sear, external hammer stop, and bridle arrangement from the snaphaunce lock period. Progress was slow back in this period. But it never the less continued on it's way to the eventual "French" style flintlock. Of interest, during the English Civil War period there would have been matchlocks, wheellocks, snaphaunces, English locks, and early forms of doglocks all being utilized at the same time. I'm sure that many matchlocks during this period were re-fitted with one of these lock variations. This style of English lock must have been popular as there were locks/fragments found in diggings from the northest New England area of the USA. Rick Attached Images

25th November 2017, 10:42 PM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,196	"If you get a chance, can you take a couple more photos of the frizzen and pan area from different angles ? Thanks." Rick Absolutely, Rick, and this time with a cell phone that takes better pics than that crappy digital camera I bought. Once again, thank you for all of the information you have relayed to me about this piece. Also, thanks to Marcus, Richard, Fernando and Phillip for your comments and knowledge. It is not my specialty, so I will definitely be saving all your info for my records. Thanks! Mark

26th November 2017, 05:13 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	End of context Rick ? .

26th November 2017, 05:37 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	We'll wait for additional pics of Mark's lock. Thanks. Rick