A VERY DECORATED FLINTLOCK PISTOL FOR ID

Cerjak · 9th November 2017, 06:19 PM

Many thanks to all for the comments ,I will try to remove the barrel this weekend, I 'm also curious to know if there is any marks who could help for the maker identification .
Best
CERJAK
PS from the same place I bought this second pistol :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23346

Cerjak · 10th November 2017, 11:07 AM

I have removed the barrel and lock but unfortunately there is no one mark who could help for the identification.

fernando · 10th November 2017, 11:41 AM

One more step and you remove the lock ... just to check

Cerjak · 10th November 2017, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

One more step and you remove the lock ... just to check

Fernando ,
Same for the lock no mark

Pukka Bundook · 10th November 2017, 02:01 PM

A photo of the lock internals and lock mortise would be very much appreciated, Cerjak.

Best wishes,
Richard.

Cerjak · 11th November 2017, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

A photo of the lock internals and lock mortise would be very much appreciated, Cerjak.

Best wishes,
Richard.

Dear Richard

This is the pics
It seems very strange that there is no one marks ,this pistol has many massif silver embellishment but the barrel and lock are not signed.
I'm wondering what was the purpose of the maker.
Best
Jean-Luc

Pukka Bundook · 11th November 2017, 01:43 PM

It Is a very nicely made lock, Jean-Luc.

From the outside it looks English but I see it has a separate pan attached to the lock plate, so has to be either Continental, or a copy of Continental.
I wonder why the bushed hole for the pan retaining screw? It looks very clean and well done but a bit recent possibly?
Does the touch-hole have a liner fitted? .... I am wondering about a possible re-conversion to flint from percussion.
Does the engraving on the frizzen/steel & cock and rest of the piece?

The lack of markings on the barrel and lock still say this could possibly be Very high-end Indian work.
It is a lovely and well designed piece.
If possible at some time, please show us the mortise for the lock. Inletting tells us a lot about where a gun may come from.

Best regards,

Richard.

Yes, On looking again at your first photos Jean -Luc, I see the pan and cock show none of the patina we see on the barrel.
The pan and cock and frizzen appear to have been added more recently.
It is a high-end lock with lovely springs.
When this re-conversion was done I do not know, but it is a very tidy job.
This also opens up the possibility that the lock is a high-quality English trade lock, and the "continental pan attachment" could have come about in its re-conversion.

A lovely and enigmatic piece!!

Richard.

9th November 2017, 06:19 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Many thanks to all for the comments ,I will try to remove the barrel this weekend, I 'm also curious to know if there is any marks who could help for the maker identification . Best CERJAK PS from the same place I bought this second pistol : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23346

10th November 2017, 11:07 AM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	I have removed the barrel and lock but unfortunately there is no one mark who could help for the identification.

10th November 2017, 11:41 AM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	One more step and you remove the lock ... just to check

10th November 2017, 02:01 PM	#5
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	A photo of the lock internals and lock mortise would be very much appreciated, Cerjak. Best wishes, Richard.

11th November 2017, 01:43 PM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	It Is a very nicely made lock, Jean-Luc. From the outside it looks English but I see it has a separate pan attached to the lock plate, so has to be either Continental, or a copy of Continental. I wonder why the bushed hole for the pan retaining screw? It looks very clean and well done but a bit recent possibly? Does the touch-hole have a liner fitted? .... I am wondering about a possible re-conversion to flint from percussion. Does the engraving on the frizzen/steel & cock and rest of the piece? The lack of markings on the barrel and lock still say this could possibly be Very high-end Indian work. It is a lovely and well designed piece. If possible at some time, please show us the mortise for the lock. Inletting tells us a lot about where a gun may come from. Best regards, Richard. Yes, On looking again at your first photos Jean -Luc, I see the pan and cock show none of the patina we see on the barrel. The pan and cock and frizzen appear to have been added more recently. It is a high-end lock with lovely springs. When this re-conversion was done I do not know, but it is a very tidy job. This also opens up the possibility that the lock is a high-quality English trade lock, and the "continental pan attachment" could have come about in its re-conversion. A lovely and enigmatic piece!! Richard.