A VERY DECORATED FLINTLOCK PISTOL FOR ID

fernando · 8th November 2017, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

... Fernando may be a date ? Please see this new pics

Yes, more like a number than a decoration floral. But then, even if it is a number or a date, could also be illusory

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Pukka Bundook · 8th November 2017, 06:51 PM

It Is a very nice and very different pistol Cerjak.
Very nice silver work and such.

Dating is rather difficult, as it ha selements popular from differing ages, like the heavy moulding around the trigger-guard, (earlier 18th C mostly, ) and the pineapple which is later, 1780's and on.
Then the style of the grip is more early 18th C but the sideplates for the sidenails say early 19th C.
I wonder, with the very nice decoration, Is there a chance it was made in India??
I ask as Tippu Sultan had very nice arms made for himself, so Indian craftsmen could certainly be up to the job.
It sounds like the maker had heard of Twigg, at any rate!

Very best,
Richard.

thinreadline · 9th November 2017, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

It Is a very nice and very different pistol Cerjak.
Very nice silver work and such.

Dating is rather difficult, as it ha selements popular from differing ages, like the heavy moulding around the trigger-guard, (earlier 18th C mostly, ) and the pineapple which is later, 1780's and on.
Then the style of the grip is more early 18th C but the sideplates for the sidenails say early 19th C.
I wonder, with the very nice decoration, Is there a chance it was made in India??
I ask as Tippu Sultan had very nice arms made for himself, so Indian craftsmen could certainly be up to the job.
It sounds like the maker had heard of Twigg, at any rate!

Very best,
Richard.

Yes indeed I would opt for India , with the name being a hybrid of Twigg and Manton perhaps.

corrado26 · 9th November 2017, 11:46 AM

I think it would help a lot to dismantle the barrel from the stock to see which marks are on the underside
corrado26

fernando · 9th November 2017, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

I think it would help a lot to dismantle the barrel from the stock to see which marks are on the underside
corrado26

If ever there are any marks in there ...

Pukka Bundook · 9th November 2017, 02:26 PM

Another reason to Think possibly India, is that the engraving on the pineapple finial does not look European, in fact the only engraving that does look European or English,are all the screws, and they are beautifully done, and possibly the side-plates, but the latter in design are more 17th C at latest in style.
I am not out to find fault, as I do like it, but so mixed in styles appears Eastern at any rate.
The lock looks a very competent piece, and has a good finish. I would like to see the lock internals and the mortise for it in the stock.

Best regards,
Richard.

Cerjak · 9th November 2017, 06:19 PM

Many thanks to all for the comments ,I will try to remove the barrel this weekend, I 'm also curious to know if there is any marks who could help for the maker identification .
Best
CERJAK
PS from the same place I bought this second pistol :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23346

8th November 2017, 06:51 PM	#2
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	It Is a very nice and very different pistol Cerjak. Very nice silver work and such. Dating is rather difficult, as it ha selements popular from differing ages, like the heavy moulding around the trigger-guard, (earlier 18th C mostly, ) and the pineapple which is later, 1780's and on. Then the style of the grip is more early 18th C but the sideplates for the sidenails say early 19th C. I wonder, with the very nice decoration, Is there a chance it was made in India?? I ask as Tippu Sultan had very nice arms made for himself, so Indian craftsmen could certainly be up to the job. It sounds like the maker had heard of Twigg, at any rate! Very best, Richard.

9th November 2017, 11:46 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	I think it would help a lot to dismantle the barrel from the stock to see which marks are on the underside corrado26

9th November 2017, 02:26 PM	#6
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Another reason to Think possibly India, is that the engraving on the pineapple finial does not look European, in fact the only engraving that does look European or English,are all the screws, and they are beautifully done, and possibly the side-plates, but the latter in design are more 17th C at latest in style. I am not out to find fault, as I do like it, but so mixed in styles appears Eastern at any rate. The lock looks a very competent piece, and has a good finish. I would like to see the lock internals and the mortise for it in the stock. Best regards, Richard.

9th November 2017, 06:19 PM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Many thanks to all for the comments ,I will try to remove the barrel this weekend, I 'm also curious to know if there is any marks who could help for the maker identification . Best CERJAK PS from the same place I bought this second pistol : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23346