A northern Malay pedang - Pattani?

[kai]

Another Chenangkas with pamor blade:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17534

[kai]

One more example: A similar blade in Batak fittings.

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

P.S.: The latter 3 examples are just for comparison...

[Sajen]

Hello Kai,

crazy that you don't have received any comments until now! A truly beautiful sword you have acquired there, love the beautiful carved Makara handle. And you have done a very good research and the Malay origin seems to be a very good possibility also when the Makara from the Malay badek look slightly different but I can't offer a better origin from your nice pedang. Sadly the handle missing it's upper handle sleeve. Again, a truly beauty!

Regards,
Detlef

[Gustav]

Kai, a very nice sword.

Only one thing - the metal sleeves and the motif on them is what we often seen on refurbished Minang and Palembang Kerisses coming out of post WWII Sumatra. I see the reason, why these could be Malayan, but... am not 100% sure about it.

[Battara]

So Gustav you are saying that these type of silver scabbard mounts are more recent?

BTW - Love the blades

[Gustav]

Jose, I am referring only to the metal mounts on the first Pedang -

- yes.

[kai]

BTW - Love the blades

Thanks, Jose! The ones that I handled also exhibited a neat balance.

I'll try to post some more pics after cleaning and etching...

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

Thanks, Gustav!

the metal sleeves and the motif on them is what we often seen on refurbished Minang and Palembang Kerisses coming out of post WWII Sumatra. I see the reason, why these could be Malayan, but... am not 100% sure about it.

I don't have close-ups of the scabbard bands yet; assuming that they approximate the ferrule, you have a point, indeed. I need to research this some more!

Charles, could you please post close-ups of the scabbard (sword from post #2), please?

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

Hello Detlef,

Thanks for your comments and keeping the ball rolling!

the Malay origin seems to be a very good possibility also when the Makara from the Malay badek look slightly different

Some details are quite similar, some others are missing though, indeed.

Note that the pommel size is different; utilizing horn also necessitates some changes at the mouth/etc. due to the hollow core as does functionality as a sword hilt.

Swords with these naturalistic makara pommel seem to be exceedingly rare and I've yet to find any well-provenanced examples. Given the differences between mine and Charles' pieces (and more differences compared to northern Malayan badek), I agree that we need to keep an open mind and more data.

Sadly the handle missing it's upper handle sleeve.

That's quite possible! I need to examine it personally to check for any hints...

The tassel seems to have some age - I'd guess that the current configuration has been in use for a while (post-WW2?).

Regards,
Kai