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VANDOO · 4th December 2016, 02:34 AM

GOOD INFORMATION TIM. AN INTERESTING ITEM CLOSED ON EBAY A SIMILAR STYLE OF CLUB SAID TO BE FROM THE SEMINOLE TRIBE IN FLORIDA. IT IS SAID TO BE SET WITH REAL SHARK TEETH AND WOUND WITH VEGETABLE FIBERS LATE 19TH TO EARLY 20TH CENTURY. 38.7 CM. OR 15.25 INCH. THE SEMINOLE ( NOT THEIR ORIGINAL NAME) LIVED IN FLORIDA THE ATAKAPAWS IN LOUISIANA AND THE KARANKAWAS ON GALVESTON ISLAND TEXAS. NO DOUBT OTHER TRIBES LIVED ALONG THE COAST AS WELL. THE CULTURES AND CUSTOMS WERE MUCH THE SAME ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST AND ALL WERE VERY SIMILAR TO THE CARIBS. SO NO DOUBT THE CLUB FORMS HAD SIMILARITY'S AS WELL AS THE RECIPES ON HOW TO SERVE MAN MANY WERE SAID TO BE CANNIBALS.

Gavin Nugent · 4th December 2016, 10:05 AM

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Tim Simmons · 5th December 2016, 05:16 PM

Having had more time to study this new piece I am even more convinced that it is a fighting piece, as much as may be used in ceremonials. There are points to consider for this thinking.

It is stated by researchers that the line between actual violent function and ceremony is not absolute.

From the early to mid 20th century and indeed later. A Wayana village would consist of a few extended families with just enough outsiders brought in by what ever means to keep the gene pool healthy {probably not that different today}

A community without a strong social hierarchy and the need for artists to make lavish emblems of rank and distinction. A group of people with no standing army, though all males would constitute a warrior group when needed. Would not fight in a massed battle or hierarchicaly organised conflict. War would be feud and vendetta raids or ambush on individuals or small groups and possibly though I would think rare village on village. The technology and arsenal is sticks, stones, bones and what ever can be made into a weapon.

Looking at the two examples, starting with the really far too heavy tan coloured piece. The picture shows the only original peccary/boar tooth {the others were very similar but spit into too many pieces to restore} which is as taken from the porcine jaw natural and curved. This will not work as an impact weapon

Look at the teeth on the black painted club all have been ground, as no file marks can be found , to a shorter straight point which would function as an impact weapon. Sorry my pictures are not expert. This weapon could inflict nasty wounds, punctures, slashes and more. How would you like a pig tusk stuck in your head? it would be scary? hard to fight back, then just hit even harder with the wood. When all this is thought about I think it is a very uncommon find. You know where you can stick your ubiquitous, over priced Fijian Ulas, clubs and more.

Tim Simmons · 7th March 2017, 04:44 PM

Some more information on this type of Wayana club until the 1950s. Scroll down to read the information on item 1969.68.
http://www.horniman.ac.uk/collection...-chapter/clubs

4th December 2016, 02:34 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	GOOD INFORMATION TIM. AN INTERESTING ITEM CLOSED ON EBAY A SIMILAR STYLE OF CLUB SAID TO BE FROM THE SEMINOLE TRIBE IN FLORIDA. IT IS SAID TO BE SET WITH REAL SHARK TEETH AND WOUND WITH VEGETABLE FIBERS LATE 19TH TO EARLY 20TH CENTURY. 38.7 CM. OR 15.25 INCH. THE SEMINOLE ( NOT THEIR ORIGINAL NAME) LIVED IN FLORIDA THE ATAKAPAWS IN LOUISIANA AND THE KARANKAWAS ON GALVESTON ISLAND TEXAS. NO DOUBT OTHER TRIBES LIVED ALONG THE COAST AS WELL. THE CULTURES AND CUSTOMS WERE MUCH THE SAME ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST AND ALL WERE VERY SIMILAR TO THE CARIBS. SO NO DOUBT THE CLUB FORMS HAD SIMILARITY'S AS WELL AS THE RECIPES ON HOW TO SERVE MAN MANY WERE SAID TO BE CANNIBALS. Attached Images

4th December 2016, 10:05 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	darts and quiver http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=amazon+dart One of my artefacts on display here. Gavin

5th December 2016, 05:16 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,844	Having had more time to study this new piece I am even more convinced that it is a fighting piece, as much as may be used in ceremonials. There are points to consider for this thinking. It is stated by researchers that the line between actual violent function and ceremony is not absolute. From the early to mid 20th century and indeed later. A Wayana village would consist of a few extended families with just enough outsiders brought in by what ever means to keep the gene pool healthy {probably not that different today} A community without a strong social hierarchy and the need for artists to make lavish emblems of rank and distinction. A group of people with no standing army, though all males would constitute a warrior group when needed. Would not fight in a massed battle or hierarchicaly organised conflict. War would be feud and vendetta raids or ambush on individuals or small groups and possibly though I would think rare village on village. The technology and arsenal is sticks, stones, bones and what ever can be made into a weapon. Looking at the two examples, starting with the really far too heavy tan coloured piece. The picture shows the only original peccary/boar tooth {the others were very similar but spit into too many pieces to restore} which is as taken from the porcine jaw natural and curved. This will not work as an impact weapon Look at the teeth on the black painted club all have been ground, as no file marks can be found , to a shorter straight point which would function as an impact weapon. Sorry my pictures are not expert. This weapon could inflict nasty wounds, punctures, slashes and more. How would you like a pig tusk stuck in your head? it would be scary? hard to fight back, then just hit even harder with the wood. When all this is thought about I think it is a very uncommon find. You know where you can stick your ubiquitous, over priced Fijian Ulas, clubs and more. Attached Images

7th March 2017, 04:44 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,844	Some more information on this type of Wayana club until the 1950s. Scroll down to read the information on item 1969.68. http://www.horniman.ac.uk/collection...-chapter/clubs