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Tim Simmons · 23rd October 2016, 11:13 AM

Barry, I do not think the hollow at the distal end is due to the pith under the hard wood of palm timber. You can see from these new pictures rather bright as the flash was on, that the hollow is within the hard wood being virtually a continuation of the main solid club. There must be some other reason for this feature? Also the strange pointy tip on the convex side. Interesting similaities between the Kayabi club and the Ikpeng club. Both made of palm wood, though they are different palm timbers. The Kayabi is a lighter brown timber and although a larger club at 1.433kg. The Ikpeng club smaller, of a dark brown to black timber is 1.628kg. Like combatants in other parts of the world. Conflicts are fought with very similar weapons of differing styles.

Interesting extract about conflict and contact.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2020374...n_tab_contents

The black and white aerial photo of Kayabi village was taken 1958.

KuKulzA28 · 27th October 2016, 05:32 PM

Reminds me of the cross-section of many Dayak parangs, concave on the inside. Maybe it improves the chopping potential of the club if used to strike on a particular trajectory? After all these bladed clubs were intended to chop into the opponent rather than just bludgeon them. Cleaner bone breaks and perhaps a little cleaving into the flesh.

Shipibo and "Kayapo" clubs don't feature this - but then again that means they'll be easily used to strike on any practical swing.

Tim Simmons · 9th November 2016, 05:33 PM

Nice examples found here- http://fotoweb.pesquisakino.com:8080...arch=pesquisar

Tim Simmons · 10th November 2016, 08:46 AM

That link seems not working now, so I have saved the pictures and add them in this reply.

colin henshaw · 10th November 2016, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

That link seems not working now, so I have saved the pictures and add them in this reply.

Some interesting sculptural club forms Tim, thanks for posting. What institution is it ?

VANDOO · 10th November 2016, 06:20 PM

I AM GLAD TO SEE THE PICTURES POSTED SITES AND PICTURES OFTEN GO MISSING LEAVING US WITH A GAP IN FORUM POSTS. I DIDN'T GET A TRANSLATION ON THESE PICTURES BUT FROM WHAT I SAW IT APPEARS THEY ARE KAYAPO TRIBE BRAZIL. A NICE RANGE OF EXCELLENT EXAMPLES.

Tim Simmons · 10th November 2016, 07:31 PM

These pictures are from the; Memorial of Indigenous Peoples - Brasilia DF 2016

23rd October 2016, 11:13 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,889	Barry, I do not think the hollow at the distal end is due to the pith under the hard wood of palm timber. You can see from these new pictures rather bright as the flash was on, that the hollow is within the hard wood being virtually a continuation of the main solid club. There must be some other reason for this feature? Also the strange pointy tip on the convex side. Interesting similaities between the Kayabi club and the Ikpeng club. Both made of palm wood, though they are different palm timbers. The Kayabi is a lighter brown timber and although a larger club at 1.433kg. The Ikpeng club smaller, of a dark brown to black timber is 1.628kg. Like combatants in other parts of the world. Conflicts are fought with very similar weapons of differing styles. Interesting extract about conflict and contact. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2020374...n_tab_contents The black and white aerial photo of Kayabi village was taken 1958. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 23rd October 2016 at 04:36 PM.

10th November 2016, 08:46 AM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,889	That link seems not working now, so I have saved the pictures and add them in this reply. Attached Images

27th October 2016, 05:32 PM	#2
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Reminds me of the cross-section of many Dayak parangs, concave on the inside. Maybe it improves the chopping potential of the club if used to strike on a particular trajectory? After all these bladed clubs were intended to chop into the opponent rather than just bludgeon them. Cleaner bone breaks and perhaps a little cleaving into the flesh. Shipibo and "Kayapo" clubs don't feature this - but then again that means they'll be easily used to strike on any practical swing.

9th November 2016, 05:33 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,889	Nice examples found here- http://fotoweb.pesquisakino.com:8080...arch=pesquisar

10th November 2016, 06:20 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AM GLAD TO SEE THE PICTURES POSTED SITES AND PICTURES OFTEN GO MISSING LEAVING US WITH A GAP IN FORUM POSTS. I DIDN'T GET A TRANSLATION ON THESE PICTURES BUT FROM WHAT I SAW IT APPEARS THEY ARE KAYAPO TRIBE BRAZIL. A NICE RANGE OF EXCELLENT EXAMPLES.

10th November 2016, 07:31 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,889	These pictures are from the; Memorial of Indigenous Peoples - Brasilia DF 2016