strange Portuguese (?) sabre

[fernando]

Amen

[Jim McDougall]

Actually pretty well made for a tourist thing in my opinion, but without handling it I cant really say. My reference to fraternal and Masonic type swords, until recent years these were typically somewhat dismissed as irrelevant to weapons collections. However, after some collectors developed an interest and pursued serious study on them, reference books followed, and they evolved into a historically viable field of study.

This extremely unusual item (as far as I know, as I do not have access to European stores or tourist shops) seems to have more detail than most commercially intended items.
Sometimes such items can as suggested, be linked to theatrical props and the like, and as they are often of some vintage, have intrinsic historical value on their own merit.

In researching certain Spanish colonial artifacts out here in the deserts of the Southwest, there have been numbers of items found in locations with historic context which eventually turned out to be either theatrical items or votive religious items of 19th century.

All I am saying is that sometimes its good to keep options open, and seek all possibilities for an item before declaring it wall hanging fodder. The historic notes provided by Fernando even give sources for the nuanced influences of the item, and that dimension offers interesting appreciation.

[fernando]

Chances that this item might be of esoteric nature were already put on the table, as also those in it could be a theatrical prop. However lacking objective evidence, it looks more probable that this is out of something substantive in what touches the scope of our forum... genuinity, age and all that. In any case, the dice are tossed, and nothing prevents the posting of evidence that drive us otherwise. It is just that, until then, it appears that, what had to be said about this item, is already said.

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Actually pretty well made for a tourist thing in my opinion, but without handling it I cant really say. My reference to fraternal and Masonic type swords, until recent years these were typically somewhat dismissed as irrelevant to weapons collections. However, after some collectors developed an interest and pursued serious study on them, reference books followed, and they evolved into a historically viable field of study.

This extremely unusual item (as far as I know, as I do not have access to European stores or tourist shops) seems to have more detail than most commercially intended items.
Sometimes such items can as suggested, be linked to theatrical props and the like, and as they are often of some vintage, have intrinsic historical value on their own merit.

In researching certain Spanish colonial artifacts out here in the deserts of the Southwest, there have been numbers of items found in locations with historic context which eventually turned out to be either theatrical items or votive religious items of 19th century.

All I am saying is that sometimes its good to keep options open, and seek all possibilities for an item before declaring it wall hanging fodder. The historic notes provided by Fernando even give sources for the nuanced influences of the item, and that dimension offers interesting appreciation.

Hi Jim
I understand and respect your opinion but it is only That this sword is for me "irrealistic" also this sword is Still offered In a french auction site.
Best
Jean Luc

[Jim McDougall]

Thanks as always guys, for your candor.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

It may be a derived form from Chinese... I have seen the forward spike device on some Chinese variants