A ghotic basinet helmet or victorian exemple ?

A Senefelder · 4th September 2015, 01:07 AM

Several more examples attached from Churburg and Leeds. The example in the OP is of a lower peaked without visor ( at least I so nothing for affixing one nor evidence that it ever had it ) that would date it stylistically to the 1340's - 1360's as it would have been worn with a late great helmet. A fine example of the type can be seen in the article on Colaccio Becadelli ( died May 3rd 1341 ) from his funnery sculpture in " Arms and Armor Annual " 1973.

A Senefelder · 4th September 2015, 01:16 AM

Becadelli effigy attached showing the great helm hanging behind on suspension chains.

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Let me known if is ok ! Thanks

The material thickness seems proper, I can't make out any signs of modern welding inside, based on the pics, I can't say it is an original mid 14th bascinet but constructionally I can see no reason to be suspicious of it, all of this of course being based on looking at some photo's. Having it in hand might shed more and possibly different light on it.

BerberDagger · 4th September 2015, 01:16 AM

Thank you ! I think the suspension theme is the same (Abaut chainmail ) ! I find exemple here : https://www.pinterest.com/rubinelli/...bacinetti-xiv/

What type of exams I can Let made to find a correct age of this helmet ? Thanks

BerberDagger · 4th September 2015, 01:33 AM

I m searching to do some better pics !! If can help !

BerberDagger · 4th September 2015, 01:34 AM

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Jim McDougall · 4th September 2015, 01:14 PM

I have nothing to add to the outstanding discourse here, but just wanted to say thanks to everybody here for the opportunity to learn more on these helmets!
Alan, I very much admire your amazing knowledge on armour, and the detailed manner in which your posts attend to the many nuances and features which reveal the authenticity of various items.

Kronckew....LOL!! Thanks for the Monty Python jab!!! Your sense of humor is priceless, I cant stop chuckling on that one

Berber......nicely done and congratulations!

kronckew · 4th September 2015, 01:41 PM

you are welcome. jim. my DNA is 75% german and 25% austro-hungarian. nations well known for their sense of humour as well as their food (sausages & beer are food groups aren't they?).

i too have learned from this thread. as an engineer, i like to know how things were made, assembled as well as how they were used and what they were used for.

thanks all.

4th September 2015, 01:07 AM	#1
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Several more examples attached from Churburg and Leeds. The example in the OP is of a lower peaked without visor ( at least I so nothing for affixing one nor evidence that it ever had it ) that would date it stylistically to the 1340's - 1360's as it would have been worn with a late great helmet. A fine example of the type can be seen in the article on Colaccio Becadelli ( died May 3rd 1341 ) from his funnery sculpture in " Arms and Armor Annual " 1973. Attached Images

4th September 2015, 01:33 AM	#4
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	I m searching to do some better pics !! If can help ! Attached Images

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BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	Others Attached Images

4th September 2015, 01:16 AM	#3
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	Thank you ! I think the suspension theme is the same (Abaut chainmail ) ! I find exemple here : https://www.pinterest.com/rubinelli/...bacinetti-xiv/ What type of exams I can Let made to find a correct age of this helmet ? Thanks

4th September 2015, 01:14 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,195	I have nothing to add to the outstanding discourse here, but just wanted to say thanks to everybody here for the opportunity to learn more on these helmets! Alan, I very much admire your amazing knowledge on armour, and the detailed manner in which your posts attend to the many nuances and features which reveal the authenticity of various items. Kronckew....LOL!! Thanks for the Monty Python jab!!! Your sense of humor is priceless, I cant stop chuckling on that one Berber......nicely done and congratulations!

4th September 2015, 01:41 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	you are welcome. jim. my DNA is 75% german and 25% austro-hungarian. nations well known for their sense of humour as well as their food (sausages & beer are food groups aren't they?). i too have learned from this thread. as an engineer, i like to know how things were made, assembled as well as how they were used and what they were used for. thanks all.