A ghotic basinet helmet or victorian exemple ?

[A Senefelder]

The weight seems right for 14th c. Can you possibly get a close up pic of the inside where one of the vervelles ( the little tubes that suspend the cord/wire that keeps the leather band to which the mail mantle is sewn in place ) is attached and perhaps at the peak of the helmet where the slight medial ridging is?

[BerberDagger]

Hello Thanks for your input ! Here Others pics !!

[kronckew]

looks very french*. if the tubes hold the leather binding of the maile skirt, what are the series of peripheral holes for? what kind of inner suspension would it have had?

*- per that most accurate and factual reference: The Holy Grail, by the noted arms expert m.python....

[Marcus den toom]

From the "Krieg und Feuerwerk Buch 1411" (war and fireworks book from 1411).

There are multiple drawings with very similar shaped helmet types, so they might be quit alot older than i first thoughed. I think i saw them in some other manuscript as well, hope to find it.

The small holes alon the edge are most certainly the attachement holes for the mail head piece, which would have protected the forehead, the neck and the back portion. It would fall over the mail shirt and thus protect you from the head to just under the waist.
Those other tubes are new to me, i never saw anything like that. It is not my field though so i am sure a more competent person will adress that.

[NeilUK]

The small holes are where the inner lining of the helmet was stitched in place; the hollow tubes, called 'vervelles' (as A.Senefelder says above) are usually just small rings rather than tubes but the leather band which is attached to the edge of the camail is pierced with holes which fit over the vervelles and then held in place by a wire threaded through the vervelles. The unusual size of these vervelles is the only thing which worries me about the genuineness of this bascinet.
Neil

[A Senefelder]

The small holes alon the edge are most certainly the attachement holes for the mail head piece

They are in fact not,but the holes through which the padded lining would have been stiched. The mail was suspended via the vervelles as described above. For reference see the pic of the rather famous bascinet in the Wallace collection although there are others

Berber would it be possible to do this

Can you possibly get a close up pic of the inside where one of the vervelles ( the little tubes that suspend the cord/wire that keeps the leather band to which the mail mantle is sewn in place ) is attached and perhaps at the peak of the helmet where the slight medial ridging is?

from the inside?

[BerberDagger]

Let me known if is ok ! Thanks

[A Senefelder]

Several more examples attached from Churburg and Leeds. The example in the OP is of a lower peaked without visor ( at least I so nothing for affixing one nor evidence that it ever had it ) that would date it stylistically to the 1340's - 1360's as it would have been worn with a late great helmet. A fine example of the type can be seen in the article on Colaccio Becadelli ( died May 3rd 1341 ) from his funnery sculpture in " Arms and Armor Annual " 1973.

[A Senefelder]

Becadelli effigy attached showing the great helm hanging behind on suspension chains.

Let me known if is ok ! Thanks

The material thickness seems proper, I can't make out any signs of modern welding inside, based on the pics, I can't say it is an original mid 14th bascinet but constructionally I can see no reason to be suspicious of it, all of this of course being based on looking at some photo's. Having it in hand might shed more and possibly different light on it.

[BerberDagger]

Thank you ! I think the suspension theme is the same (Abaut chainmail ) ! I find exemple here : https://www.pinterest.com/rubinelli/...bacinetti-xiv/

What type of exams I can Let made to find a correct age of this helmet ? Thanks