MONSTER MUSKET/JEZAIL FOR IDENTIFICATION

spiral · 21st May 2015, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

I would be very cautious on saying that the brass represented Pakistan. these are common symbals that that have been used for a while. bullets are expensive why would you not reuse older parts. In new mexico,usa we commonly use farm and construction equipment that is from the 1940-1970,s. People that do not have money use and repurpose things all the time. This does not look like souq work to me. carving a stock is work if done correctly. If the brass has sharp edges or the stock has polyurethane I would be a lot more inclined to belive it was more modernly refurbished

Pakistan flag symbol was said a little tongue in cheek Ward,

But seemed a lot more likely than the original Turkish attribution?

As for sharp edges on the brass I agree. I think you could nearly shave with that brass fitting?

As for stock I agree it well carved, but that doesn't stop it being recent, & if some are so badly done its even covered with polyurethane then that's just even lower quality work, surely?

Richard G · 23rd May 2015, 06:24 PM

The mouth of the barrel seems to be in the form of a tiger's head which often appears on firearms associated with Tipu Sahib (orTipu Sultan), the Tigerof Mysore. I"m not saying this is one of those guns but it might indicate an origin for the barrel in Mysore or an area in South India aware of that tradition.
Regards
Richard

BANDOOK · 24th May 2015, 10:41 AM

HI RICHARD THATS CORRECT ,THE MOUTH HAS THAT KIND OF SHAPE AND FORM,SO WILL BE JUST A GUESS,THANKS FOR YOUR OBSERVATION

BANDOOK · 24th May 2015, 11:12 AM

Greetings Kubur,AM POSTING SOME MORE PICTURES OF THIS MONSTER,REGARDS

Kubur · 24th May 2015, 11:28 AM

Yes Richard is right, it's a tiger head, common in India, not only in Mysore.
They always choose powerful animals for the muzzle. The dragon was the most common as he is connected to alchemy and fire. Look at the cannons even in Europe they have frequently this dragon/monster head. Now I have the "feeling" that your barrel is not so old, maybe end of 18th c.

BANDOOK · 24th May 2015, 11:34 AM

THANKS KUBUR,IF YOU SEE THIS GUN YOU WILL KNOW,AM SURE LOCKS AND BARREL REAL OLD,THEN DONE UP SOME STAGE,PLEASE OBSERVE LOCK HAS THE NUMBER 2 WITH SOME FADED INSIGNA ON IT,CHEERS

spiral · 24th May 2015, 11:20 PM

The barrels a lovely old thing.

Seeing the stamp on the lock, it looks also later copy work.{Not as recent as timber or brass though...}

I guess they had a nice old barrel so built everything else around it, to get a few western dollars...

23rd May 2015, 06:24 PM	#2
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 415	The mouth of the barrel seems to be in the form of a tiger's head which often appears on firearms associated with Tipu Sahib (orTipu Sultan), the Tigerof Mysore. I"m not saying this is one of those guns but it might indicate an origin for the barrel in Mysore or an area in South India aware of that tradition. Regards Richard Last edited by Richard G; 23rd May 2015 at 06:42 PM.

24th May 2015, 11:12 AM	#4
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	Greetings Kubur,AM POSTING SOME MORE PICTURES OF THIS MONSTER,REGARDS Attached Images

24th May 2015, 10:41 AM	#3
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	HI RICHARD THATS CORRECT ,THE MOUTH HAS THAT KIND OF SHAPE AND FORM,SO WILL BE JUST A GUESS,THANKS FOR YOUR OBSERVATION

24th May 2015, 11:28 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Yes Richard is right, it's a tiger head, common in India, not only in Mysore. They always choose powerful animals for the muzzle. The dragon was the most common as he is connected to alchemy and fire. Look at the cannons even in Europe they have frequently this dragon/monster head. Now I have the "feeling" that your barrel is not so old, maybe end of 18th c.

24th May 2015, 11:34 AM	#6
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	THANKS KUBUR,IF YOU SEE THIS GUN YOU WILL KNOW,AM SURE LOCKS AND BARREL REAL OLD,THEN DONE UP SOME STAGE,PLEASE OBSERVE LOCK HAS THE NUMBER 2 WITH SOME FADED INSIGNA ON IT,CHEERS

24th May 2015, 11:20 PM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	The barrels a lovely old thing. Seeing the stamp on the lock, it looks also later copy work.{Not as recent as timber or brass though...} I guess they had a nice old barrel so built everything else around it, to get a few western dollars...