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Old 19th September 2014, 01:45 PM   #1
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I like the spear. Looks like it is very nice to have in your hands. What a great lot.
Thank you, it really feels great, very solid. one thing you might not directly notice in the pictures is that the bottom part of the spear is actually almost square while as you move up towards the tip the wood gets rounded.

Also i really like the fishing arrow and the blunt (for birds?) arrow although all of the arrows are missing there feathers (at the bottom).

Still no clue what the twisted piece of wood, the bowl or the paddle is

For the rest i'm thinking brazil/guyana/suriname area don't know a tribe yet but leaning more towards Surinam (like the last piece although very different/other tribe) as it was a form dutch colony and this was found in the Netherlands.
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Old 27th September 2014, 09:36 PM   #2
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Found a great resource for amazon weapons, its the American museum of national history database it is filled with beautiful clubs and others

Hope it can help someone http://anthro.amnh.org/south
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Old 28th September 2014, 11:54 AM   #3
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Great adding to the thread. This has turned from a small inquiry into a massive thread.

My new club has arrived. Heavy for the size. The cotton decoration needed to be tidied up, very please with it.

On close inspection with a 10x loop the cotton binding originally filled the space between the handle binding with feathers and the other binding. There is the remains of a mastic that shows the imprint of the binding. This would cover a natural fissure in the wood, nothing to do with binding a broken club. The cotton is very thin and light weight.
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Old 29th September 2014, 05:24 PM   #4
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The trouble with trying to restored lost cotton on these older Amazon clubs is getting a match. When you see hand spun cotton next to machine cotton, the difference is quite jarring to the eye. All my searches to buy handle spun cotton thread have been unsuccessful. All I can find is a sort of fancy art 'n' craft version
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Old 3rd October 2014, 05:04 PM   #5
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Finally got the right kind of hand spun raw cotton. I had to unravel one ply from the yarn and then sort of re-spin the yarn between thumbs and fore fingers. The match is near perfect through 10x loop except the colour being newer. To give the whipping some resilience, I smothered mucilage glue all over. This would be much the same as the mastic originally used. Any Amazonian native would re-bind their club as and when needed.
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Old 12th October 2014, 04:46 PM   #6
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This is where my latest example come from. My example is 4cm shorter.
http://americanindian.si.edu/searchc...id=Club&page=2
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Old 26th October 2014, 10:16 PM   #7
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I realy like it!

I was at a fair today (tribal art) and saw 4 war clubs from the amazon; 2 macana's and a long broad thatched one and a ceremonial one.

I was surprised nobody knew the other names for macana though (boutou, aputu or pootoo)
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