Any Amazon collectors?

Tim Simmons · 16th September 2014, 10:44 AM

Adding another club very similar to a Bora? club I already have. This one is a little more decorative with feathers also lacking a central ridge. Both are 60cm in length. I hope to show more when it arrives.

fireiceviper · 18th September 2014, 09:18 PM

So i bought another lot yesterday, it was found in a thrift store then purchased by me.

I'm not entirely sure if it's all from the same region (i dont think so!) but there is a nice bow and very nice arrows! also a wooden staff/spear made from the hardest wood i have ever seen and decorated with feathers.

Then there is a strange bowl made from i believe a palm seed husk? and also a strange wood stick (no clue) and a paddle (looks tourist to me)

Tim Simmons · 22nd December 2023, 04:14 PM

Found this article showing traditional clubs and guns against loggers in the Amazon. Ka'apor clubs like mine but much bigger.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/20...-trees/100805/

fireiceviper · 18th September 2014, 09:19 PM

more pictures

fireiceviper · 18th September 2014, 09:21 PM

and more

Tim Simmons · 19th September 2014, 06:41 AM

I like the spear. Looks like it is very nice to have in your hands. What a great lot.

fireiceviper · 19th September 2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

I like the spear. Looks like it is very nice to have in your hands. What a great lot.

Thank you, it really feels great, very solid. one thing you might not directly notice in the pictures is that the bottom part of the spear is actually almost square while as you move up towards the tip the wood gets rounded.

Also i really like the fishing arrow and the blunt (for birds?) arrow although all of the arrows are missing there feathers (at the bottom).

Still no clue what the twisted piece of wood, the bowl or the paddle is

For the rest i'm thinking brazil/guyana/suriname area don't know a tribe yet but leaning more towards Surinam (like the last piece although very different/other tribe) as it was a form dutch colony and this was found in the Netherlands.

fireiceviper · 27th September 2014, 09:36 PM

Found a great resource for amazon weapons, its the American museum of national history database it is filled with beautiful clubs and others

Hope it can help someone http://anthro.amnh.org/south

Tim Simmons · 28th September 2014, 11:54 AM

Great adding to the thread. This has turned from a small inquiry into a massive thread.

My new club has arrived. Heavy for the size. The cotton decoration needed to be tidied up, very please with it.

On close inspection with a 10x loop the cotton binding originally filled the space between the handle binding with feathers and the other binding. There is the remains of a mastic that shows the imprint of the binding. This would cover a natural fissure in the wood, nothing to do with binding a broken club. The cotton is very thin and light weight.

Tim Simmons · 29th September 2014, 05:24 PM

The trouble with trying to restored lost cotton on these older Amazon clubs is getting a match. When you see hand spun cotton next to machine cotton, the difference is quite jarring to the eye. All my searches to buy handle spun cotton thread have been unsuccessful. All I can find is a sort of fancy art 'n' craft version

16th September 2014, 10:44 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,859	New piece Adding another club very similar to a Bora? club I already have. This one is a little more decorative with feathers also lacking a central ridge. Both are 60cm in length. I hope to show more when it arrives. Attached Images

18th September 2014, 09:18 PM	#2
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	So i bought another lot yesterday :) So i bought another lot yesterday, it was found in a thrift store then purchased by me. I'm not entirely sure if it's all from the same region (i dont think so!) but there is a nice bow and very nice arrows! also a wooden staff/spear made from the hardest wood i have ever seen and decorated with feathers. Then there is a strange bowl made from i believe a palm seed husk? and also a strange wood stick (no clue) and a paddle (looks tourist to me) Attached Images

22nd December 2023, 04:14 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,859	Club use Amazon Found this article showing traditional clubs and guns against loggers in the Amazon. Ka'apor clubs like mine but much bigger. https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/20...-trees/100805/ Attached Images

18th September 2014, 09:19 PM	#4
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	additional photos more pictures Attached Images

18th September 2014, 09:21 PM	#5
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	more pictureves part2 and more Attached Images

19th September 2014, 06:41 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,859	I like the spear. Looks like it is very nice to have in your hands. What a great lot.

27th September 2014, 09:36 PM	#8
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	Found a great resource for amazon weapons, its the American museum of national history database it is filled with beautiful clubs and others Hope it can help someone http://anthro.amnh.org/south

28th September 2014, 11:54 AM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,859	Great adding to the thread. This has turned from a small inquiry into a massive thread. My new club has arrived. Heavy for the size. The cotton decoration needed to be tidied up, very please with it. On close inspection with a 10x loop the cotton binding originally filled the space between the handle binding with feathers and the other binding. There is the remains of a mastic that shows the imprint of the binding. This would cover a natural fissure in the wood, nothing to do with binding a broken club. The cotton is very thin and light weight. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 28th September 2014 at 05:26 PM.

29th September 2014, 05:24 PM	#10
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,859	The trouble with trying to restored lost cotton on these older Amazon clubs is getting a match. When you see hand spun cotton next to machine cotton, the difference is quite jarring to the eye. All my searches to buy handle spun cotton thread have been unsuccessful. All I can find is a sort of fancy art 'n' craft version