Dagger with gryphon head guillon terminals

Jim McDougall · 14th December 2013, 02:13 PM

Thank you Jasper, and for adding this beautiful cross guard. You are right, these Islamic forms do tend to be far later than the 15th century as you note, and one of the compelling questions always present in the study of ethnographic weapons is what sources, particularly European, influenced them. When seen together comparatively as you have well shown, the dimension of the question becomes even more profoundly intriguing!

cornelistromp · 15th December 2013, 12:09 PM

Hi Jim,

thanks and yes very true, who was previously the chicken or the egg?

the excavated dagger has a brass plate engraved with Gothic text on the left-hand side of the grip

I have not figured out what the meaning is.

best,

cornelistromp · 6th January 2014, 01:44 PM

a later Ballock with calyx grip, coverplate and gryphon heads from the royal arsenal copenhagen, Denmark
it is of a sub type between the dagger of post #11 and the dagger from thread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18012

cornelistromp · 14th October 2014, 07:33 AM

some better pics of my collection dagger and a dagger from the collection of

the Art Institute of Chicago with ramsheadguillons

German

Ballock Dagger, late 15th century

Steel and silver
L. 36.8 cm (14 1/2 in.)
Blade L. 23.5 cm (9 1/4 in.)
Wt. 8 oz.

George F. Harding Collection, 1982.3470

fernando · 14th October 2014, 03:51 PM

Cute.
This type of daggers sure looks lethal... and valuable

Thanks for sharing.

cornelistromp · 11th October 2020, 04:56 PM

two dagger from the royal armouries. both last quarter of the 15thC

15th December 2013, 12:09 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	plate with gothic text at grip Hi Jim, thanks and yes very true, who was previously the chicken or the egg? the excavated dagger has a brass plate engraved with Gothic text on the left-hand side of the grip I have not figured out what the meaning is. best, Attached Images

6th January 2014, 01:44 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	a later Ballock with calyx grip, coverplate and gryphon heads from the royal arsenal copenhagen, Denmark it is of a sub type between the dagger of post #11 and the dagger from thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18012 Attached Images

14th October 2014, 07:33 AM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	some better pics of my collection dagger and a dagger from the collection of the Art Institute of Chicago with ramsheadguillons German Ballock Dagger, late 15th century Steel and silver L. 36.8 cm (14 1/2 in.) Blade L. 23.5 cm (9 1/4 in.) Wt. 8 oz. George F. Harding Collection, 1982.3470 Attached Images

11th October 2020, 04:56 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	two dagger from the royal armouries. both last quarter of the 15thC Attached Images

14th December 2013, 02:13 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Thank you Jasper, and for adding this beautiful cross guard. You are right, these Islamic forms do tend to be far later than the 15th century as you note, and one of the compelling questions always present in the study of ethnographic weapons is what sources, particularly European, influenced them. When seen together comparatively as you have well shown, the dimension of the question becomes even more profoundly intriguing!

14th October 2014, 03:51 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Cute. This type of daggers sure looks lethal... and valuable Thanks for sharing.