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Old 11th October 2012, 06:59 PM   #1
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It measures 28 cm long
some designs on the metal sheath
Hi
it's looks as a "stiletto" Genoa fashion (Italy), period around 20th
may be it has a system, have a look near the ricasso, if the blade couldn't be hidden for a part
if it's the case; let me know, and I'll give you the reason

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Old 11th October 2012, 07:13 PM   #2
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It's Spanish.
Made in Albacete in I'd guess the later 19thC.
Very nice to have it's original scabbard and locking sprung pin.
I believe that those who collect these and wish to obcess over categorising the individual types (Like me but I don't have one of this type ) Categorise this particular type as 'type C'.
It's a very nice example and would sit well with my types A and B if you ever want to find a new home for it!

I did some investigating of these because I love mine so much, I'm sure I'll have saved some pictures somewhere. I'll have a look and get back to you.

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Old 11th October 2012, 07:20 PM   #3
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As an interesting aside. In a previous discussion Migueldiaz showed us this picture, where interestingly he noted that: "the origin is being attributed to philippines by the museum (victor balaguer)."

So either PERFECT copies were made in the Phillipines, or these were popular there as imports.
I suspect the latter as Albacete was a centre for knife making.
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:40 PM   #5
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Has someone gone over it with fine sandpaper?
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:44 PM   #6
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Here are a couple of the Type C like yours.
Sadly they are not mine!
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Here is one showing an Italian influence in the design:
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:51 PM   #8
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Spanish 100 % !!! very beatiful knife, type C, from Albacete, it was a ofensive knife, the scabbard seems like a blade, to avoid to see the ofensive blade,and hide the blade, with the scabbard seems a kitchen knife without point.
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:47 PM   #9
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the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:58 PM   #10
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the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!
From what I can see.
The central brass bars have round holes as yours. But it there are many slight variations.
Carlos has a wide range of the 'Type B' which illustrates the main (solid) hilt types.
Hopefully he will include a picture here.
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Old 11th October 2012, 08:06 PM   #11
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Hi Weapons27,

I wasn't trying to confuse you with the one in the museum in Manilla.
These are SPANISH. No doubt, no question.

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Edit: Here is a picture of Carlos collection of type B
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the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:52 PM   #13
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not just the protect with renaissance wax wax
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:38 PM   #14
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Here are my type A and B.
You can see the similarities between the types.

Some other forumites are into these. Carlos has a very fine collection the Type B, double edged types.
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