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weapons 27 11th October 2012 03:38 PM

knife for identification
 
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It measures 28 cm long
some designs on the metal sheath

Rich 11th October 2012 05:05 PM

Not really my area, but I had one very similar. I suspect a Spanish or "Mediterrian (sp?)" dirk; circa 1800-1850, maybe earlier. Nice piece.

Rich

David R 11th October 2012 05:14 PM

Looks to me like a type often known as a "Mediterranian Dirk", so would be Italian or Spanish and date to the late 18th to late 19th Century. You can see examples in "Swords and Daggers" by Frederic Wilkinson, and in "Fighting Knives of the Western World" which I think is by Russel Robinson...though I could be wrong on the author there as I have mislaid my copy. A nice piece to have, and looks a good example of the type.

mross 11th October 2012 06:02 PM

I agree. It seems to be a type I know as a vendetta dagger. Take a look at this link and see if you agree.

http://arms2armor.com/store/product1148.html

T. Koch 11th October 2012 06:15 PM

Damn, those are some nifty inlays in the handle of the knife you link to, mross! Looks to be mother of pearl and tortoise/sea turtle shell. Very neatly done!

Dom 11th October 2012 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by weapons 27
It measures 28 cm long
some designs on the metal sheath
Hi
it's looks as a "stiletto" Genoa fashion (Italy), period around 20th
may be it has a system, have a look near the ricasso, if the blade couldn't be hidden for a part
if it's the case; let me know, and I'll give you the reason

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Dom

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:13 PM

It's Spanish.
Made in Albacete in I'd guess the later 19thC.
Very nice to have it's original scabbard and locking sprung pin.
I believe that those who collect these and wish to obcess over categorising the individual types (Like me but I don't have one of this type :( ) Categorise this particular type as 'type C'.
It's a very nice example and would sit well with my types A and B if you ever want to find a new home for it!

I did some investigating of these because I love mine so much, I'm sure I'll have saved some pictures somewhere. I'll have a look and get back to you.

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:20 PM

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As an interesting aside. In a previous discussion Migueldiaz showed us this picture, where interestingly he noted that: "the origin is being attributed to philippines by the museum (victor balaguer)."

So either PERFECT copies were made in the Phillipines, or these were popular there as imports.
I suspect the latter as Albacete was a centre for knife making.

weapons 27 11th October 2012 07:35 PM

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photos of the handle

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:38 PM

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Here are my type A and B.
You can see the similarities between the types.

Some other forumites are into these. Carlos has a very fine collection the Type B, double edged types.

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by weapons 27
photos of the handle


Has someone gone over it with fine sandpaper?

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:44 PM

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Here are a couple of the Type C like yours.
Sadly they are not mine!

weapons 27 11th October 2012 07:47 PM

atlanta
the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:48 PM

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Here is one showing an Italian influence in the design:

weapons 27 11th October 2012 07:50 PM

atlanta
the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!
photos philippine museum

carlos 11th October 2012 07:51 PM

Spanish 100 % !!! very beatiful knife, type C, from Albacete, it was a ofensive knife, the scabbard seems like a blade, to avoid to see the ofensive blade,and hide the blade, with the scabbard seems a kitchen knife without point.
best regards
carlos

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:52 PM

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And here is one that is probobly actually from Corsica (A so called Vendetta knife) or just possibly a hybrid of the two.

weapons 27 11th October 2012 07:52 PM

not just the protect with renaissance wax wax

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos
Spanish 100 % !!! very beatiful knife, type C, from Albacete, it was a ofensive knife, the scabbard seems like a blade, to avoid to see the ofensive blade,and hide the blade, with the scabbard seems a kitchen knife without point.
best regards
carlos


Hi Carlos

Speak of the Devil ;)

I was just talking about you Carlos!
Can you show your collection, you have some with the pierced brasswork if I remember rightly.

Best
Gene

Atlantia 11th October 2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by weapons 27
atlanta
the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!


From what I can see.
The central brass bars have round holes as yours. But it there are many slight variations.
Carlos has a wide range of the 'Type B' which illustrates the main (solid) hilt types.
Hopefully he will include a picture here.

Atlantia 11th October 2012 08:06 PM

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Hi Weapons27,

I wasn't trying to confuse you with the one in the museum in Manilla.
These are SPANISH. No doubt, no question.

Best
Gene

Edit: Here is a picture of Carlos collection of type B

carlos 11th October 2012 09:30 PM

My collection!!! It was made during years, I had a period of time that my collection was orientated to spanish edged weapons and I adquire some examples, tomorrow I will made more pictures.
I recommend visit the web of Museo de la Cuchilleria Albecete or the museum , if you like spanish antique edged weapons.
best regards I ,m sorry my bad english :(
best regards

carlos

Atlantia 11th October 2012 09:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos
My collection!!! It was made during years, I had a period of time that my collection was orientated to spanish edged weapons and I adquire some examples, tomorrow I will made more pictures.
I recommend visit the web of Museo de la Cuchilleria Albecete or the museum , if you like spanish antique edged weapons.
best regards I ,m sorry my bad english :(
best regards

carlos



I've not forgotten your collection Carlos ;)

carlos 25th October 2012 07:04 PM

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I,m sorry for delay in more pictures from my collection.
Best regards
carlos


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