Old Luzon Kris

VVV · 21st August 2012, 10:06 PM

Nice catch!!!

I also suspect that it had a (maybe D-) guard.
Here is one of mine that is close as a reference - 28 inches long.

Atlantia · 21st August 2012, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Nice catch!!!

I also suspect that it had a (maybe D-) guard.
Here is one of mine that is close as a reference - 28 inches long.

Ahh, that would fit!
And be relatively easy to re-manufacture

Robert · 21st August 2012, 11:05 PM

Great reference piece Michael and thank you for posting it for comparison. Because there is no evidence of there ever being anything attached at the butt end of the hilt I think that if my example originally had a guard that it might have either been an S-guard, a straight guard or possibly a small oval guard. As Gene pointed out, there is not much room for a guard between the blade and hilt. That and there is no evidence of any wear on the exposed bit of the tang or on the front edge of the ferrule that I would expect to find if the guard was made from steel of any thickness. Then again if the guard was of brass or copper and was lost to being broken, I would have expected it to have at least left some evidence of existing such as a bend or gouge to the brass ferrule or damage to the hilt material itself. The only other option would be that it was one of the very thin steel guards that you see on quite a few examples of these swords that like I suggested before just rusted away over the years. These are just my thoughts on this and whether of not they have any validity remains to be seen. I would again like to thank both you and Gene for your kind words and thoughts on this.

Regards,
Robert

Ferguson · 21st August 2012, 11:22 PM

Nice piece Robert! I'm wondering if they made a lot of these type pieces without guards. I've got a much smaller version of a similar form as shown on this thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9597

Steve

Robert · 22nd August 2012, 12:16 AM

Hello Steve, Yeah I've always been envious of that dagger of yours. As far as not ever having a guard goes I have seen more than one of these that have no space for one or evidence of ever having one. I brought that up in my first post on this sword but I agree with the fact that most did. I am just trying to figure out if this particular one ever did. When you are tired of looking at that wonderful dagger of yours "or any of the others you have" just send it my way and I promise that I will give it a good home with lots of its brothers to keep it company.

Regards,
Robert

P.S.
One other thing that I was going to mention on this is that on all of the examples that I have seen that did not look to have ever had a guard the blade ends in a wave where it meets the hilt instead of being straight like on Michaels example and the one half wave that I have posted above.

VANDOO · 25th August 2012, 05:46 AM

I FOUND A KRIS ALMOST AS LARGE AS YOURS IN A OLD POST WHILE LOOKING FOR A MISSING POST WHICH IS STILL MISSING. I WAS GOING TO TRANSFER THE PICTURE HERE BUT MY C-PUTER REFUZES TO COOPERATE. SEARCH ARCHIVES FOR POST "KRIS SWORD VARIATIONS" POSTED 4/06/2004. THERE ARE TWO PICTURES ONE WITH A YARD STICK.

David · 25th August 2012, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

I FOUND A KRIS ALMOST AS LARGE AS YOURS IN A OLD POST WHILE LOOKING FOR A MISSING POST WHICH IS STILL MISSING. I WAS GOING TO TRANSFER THE PICTURE HERE BUT MY C-PUTER REFUZES TO COOPERATE. SEARCH ARCHIVES FOR POST "KRIS SWORD VARIATIONS" POSTED 4/06/2004. THERE ARE TWO PICTURES ONE WITH A YARD STICK.

Barry, why don't you just copy & paste the link to the thread.

21st August 2012, 10:06 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Nice catch!!! I also suspect that it had a (maybe D-) guard. Here is one of mine that is close as a reference - 28 inches long. Attached Images

21st August 2012, 11:05 PM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Great reference piece Michael and thank you for posting it for comparison. Because there is no evidence of there ever being anything attached at the butt end of the hilt I think that if my example originally had a guard that it might have either been an S-guard, a straight guard or possibly a small oval guard. As Gene pointed out, there is not much room for a guard between the blade and hilt. That and there is no evidence of any wear on the exposed bit of the tang or on the front edge of the ferrule that I would expect to find if the guard was made from steel of any thickness. Then again if the guard was of brass or copper and was lost to being broken, I would have expected it to have at least left some evidence of existing such as a bend or gouge to the brass ferrule or damage to the hilt material itself. The only other option would be that it was one of the very thin steel guards that you see on quite a few examples of these swords that like I suggested before just rusted away over the years. These are just my thoughts on this and whether of not they have any validity remains to be seen. I would again like to thank both you and Gene for your kind words and thoughts on this. Regards, Robert

21st August 2012, 11:22 PM	#4
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Nice piece Robert! I'm wondering if they made a lot of these type pieces without guards. I've got a much smaller version of a similar form as shown on this thread. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9597 Steve

22nd August 2012, 12:16 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Steve, Yeah I've always been envious of that dagger of yours. As far as not ever having a guard goes I have seen more than one of these that have no space for one or evidence of ever having one. I brought that up in my first post on this sword but I agree with the fact that most did. I am just trying to figure out if this particular one ever did. When you are tired of looking at that wonderful dagger of yours "or any of the others you have" just send it my way and I promise that I will give it a good home with lots of its brothers to keep it company. Regards, Robert P.S. One other thing that I was going to mention on this is that on all of the examples that I have seen that did not look to have ever had a guard the blade ends in a wave where it meets the hilt instead of being straight like on Michaels example and the one half wave that I have posted above.

25th August 2012, 05:46 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I FOUND A KRIS ALMOST AS LARGE AS YOURS IN A OLD POST WHILE LOOKING FOR A MISSING POST WHICH IS STILL MISSING. I WAS GOING TO TRANSFER THE PICTURE HERE BUT MY C-PUTER REFUZES TO COOPERATE. SEARCH ARCHIVES FOR POST "KRIS SWORD VARIATIONS" POSTED 4/06/2004. THERE ARE TWO PICTURES ONE WITH A YARD STICK.