Sabre ?

Jim McDougall · 26th May 2012, 01:58 AM

Virginia Manufactory sabre type 2 (1803-20)
These were often shortened for Confederate use in Civil War.

Rick · 26th May 2012, 02:45 AM

Holy Cannolli !!
Mi Amigo paid $35.00 for it !

Can't wait to tell him .

These are rare, Jim ?

Just looked it up in Albaugh .
Great eye, Jim !!

Way to go .

M ELEY · 26th May 2012, 04:07 AM

$35.oo!!! Must be nice! Beaut of a sword. The slotted side guard reminds me of the American naval cutlass of the same period with slotting to side guard.

Ahhh, yes. Jim does have a very good eye!

Mark

Jim McDougall · 26th May 2012, 04:44 AM

Thanks very much guys

I knew this one right off because back in my collecting days I really wanted one, always thought they were pretty nice and loved the parabolic blade.
There was a great book, "The Virginia Manufactory of Arms" by Giles Cromwell as I recall, its been quite a few years.
These are pretty scarce, woth pretty good $$ though I think some repros out there....Stuart Mobray, the editor of "Man at Arms" magazine is the guy to talk to.....he likes these and Starr sabres.
Jim

Rick · 26th May 2012, 05:25 AM

Well, I was wondering about repro, actually .

The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? .

One hell of a distressing job if it is a repro; layers of rust .

The blade has great flex ....

[edit] If this sword is the real thing it was made between 1806 and 1808 .

Jim, this sword is huge; you need a quarter acre just to swing it . LOLZ !

Atlantia · 26th May 2012, 04:59 PM

Fab sword, love the shape. What a curve!!

Jim McDougall · 27th May 2012, 02:05 AM

Agree this thing is impressive, and when these were made swords were still very much primary weapons.....when these were called out again during the Civil War it seems they were shortened down. In my opinion this sword looks right, the rust on the hilt seems more recent, and the blade pretty clean, but the leather worn through on grip looks official. Incredible to find these kinda deals these days.......like the old urban tale of a lady who had a 'Chevy' in a barn for 50 years or some such...turned out to be a '54 Corvette with nearly no miles on it!

Andrew · 4th June 2012, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? .

What is this about? Is it possible the edge was intentionally rebated at the time of manufacture?

Rick · 5th June 2012, 12:57 AM

Good suggestion, Dmitry; I will pass it on to the owner .
Andrew, I have no idea why the blade is so dull .

Could it be 200+ years of being drawn and re-inserted in its scabbard ?

Guys, were these sabre scabbards saddle mounted ?
It is way too long to wear at the waist .

26th May 2012, 02:45 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Holy Cannolli !! Mi Amigo paid $35.00 for it ! Can't wait to tell him . These are rare, Jim ? Just looked it up in Albaugh . Great eye, Jim !! Way to go . Last edited by Rick; 26th May 2012 at 03:28 AM.

26th May 2012, 05:25 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Well, I was wondering about repro, actually . The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? . One hell of a distressing job if it is a repro; layers of rust . The blade has great flex .... [edit] If this sword is the real thing it was made between 1806 and 1808 . Jim, this sword is huge; you need a quarter acre just to swing it . LOLZ ! Last edited by Rick; 26th May 2012 at 06:21 AM.

26th May 2012, 01:58 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,194	Virginia Manufactory sabre type 2 (1803-20) These were often shortened for Confederate use in Civil War.

26th May 2012, 04:07 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	$35.oo!!! Must be nice! Beaut of a sword. The slotted side guard reminds me of the American naval cutlass of the same period with slotting to side guard. Ahhh, yes. Jim does have a very good eye! Mark

26th May 2012, 04:44 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,194	Thanks very much guys I knew this one right off because back in my collecting days I really wanted one, always thought they were pretty nice and loved the parabolic blade. There was a great book, "The Virginia Manufactory of Arms" by Giles Cromwell as I recall, its been quite a few years. These are pretty scarce, woth pretty good $$ though I think some repros out there....Stuart Mobray, the editor of "Man at Arms" magazine is the guy to talk to.....he likes these and Starr sabres. Jim

26th May 2012, 04:59 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Fab sword, love the shape. What a curve!!

27th May 2012, 02:05 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,194	Agree this thing is impressive, and when these were made swords were still very much primary weapons.....when these were called out again during the Civil War it seems they were shortened down. In my opinion this sword looks right, the rust on the hilt seems more recent, and the blade pretty clean, but the leather worn through on grip looks official. Incredible to find these kinda deals these days.......like the old urban tale of a lady who had a 'Chevy' in a barn for 50 years or some such...turned out to be a '54 Corvette with nearly no miles on it!

5th June 2012, 12:57 AM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Good suggestion, Dmitry; I will pass it on to the owner . Andrew, I have no idea why the blade is so dull . Could it be 200+ years of being drawn and re-inserted in its scabbard ? Guys, were these sabre scabbards saddle mounted ? It is way too long to wear at the waist .