Whistlinbill's Collection #1: Kris

Battara · 20th December 2011, 02:58 AM

Lots of trade - a good point. Thats why we see a mix of styles on some pieces and it gets confusing. Something Cato does not mention. I have a little more faith in some classification than Ron, but what he says is also true.

Lee · 23rd December 2011, 10:20 AM

A most interesting discussion, thank you all. Here is the next installment:

Spunjer · 23rd December 2011, 12:31 PM

ooh, whistlin', you need to take off that red rust on the first kris. that's painful to look at...

Sajen · 23rd December 2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

ooh, whistlin', you need to take off that red rust on the first kris. that's painful to look at...

Without reading your comment I have had exactly the same thought.

Whistlinbill please care this blade or send it to me, I would be more than happy to do this job!

M6 and M7 are very nice krisses but both need care at the blades and sheaths.

Regards,

Detlef

Lee · 23rd December 2011, 03:33 PM

I should like to suggest to participants that admonishments about condition and care of presented artifacts are best handled by private message.

Sajen · 23rd December 2011, 04:18 PM

Sorry, don't want to attack someone!

Spunjer · 24th December 2011, 01:13 AM

just a knee jerk reaction, lee, especially to an object that has cultural significance to some of us

Rick · 16th January 2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

A most interesting discussion, thank you all. Here is the next installment:

M6 is a very interesting sword; most likely pretty early .
Sulu, I should think .

Here is its brother with a different pommel .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

David · 16th January 2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Here is its brother with a different pommel .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

I dunno about "brother" Rick. I see a vast amount of difference between these two blades, from the greneng to the luks and flow of the blade. M6 is more slender and serpentine to my eye. Yours also has details like the line which almost forms something akin to a tikel alis and that other incised line that profiles the length of the blade. These are perhaps both Sulu, but i think they are from different periods with M6 being perhaps the older example.

Lee · 27th January 2012, 05:39 PM

continuing...

Lee · 1st February 2012, 02:24 PM

No interest? No comments?

VANDOO · 1st February 2012, 07:24 PM

M9 KNOTWORK ON GRIP AND SCABBARD IN NAUTICAL STYLE NOT OLD TRIBAL FORM OF WORK. UNUSUALLY LONG METAL FERRULE SHOWING MAKES ONE WONDER IF THE ENTIRE HANDLE IS NOT COVERED IN METAL UNDER THE WRAP. NICE FILE WORK ON THE BLADE.PERHAPS NOT THE ORIGINAL HANDLE.

M10 NICE ALL ORIGINAL KRIS AND SCABBARD WITH CLOTH (ANTING ANTING)? A CLOSE UP OF THE PATTERN OF THE CLOTH MAY SHED MORE LIGHT ON ITS TRIBE AND ORIGION AS IT APPEARS TO BE TRIBAL MADE CLOTH AND PATTERN.

M11 STRIKES ME AS NON MORO LIKELY VISIAN INSURECTION PERIOD, UNUSUAL SCABBARD FORM ESPECIALLY THE TIP.

M33 RATHER CRUDE FILE WORK ON BELALAI GANJAH, UNUSUAL FORM OF WRANGKA (TOP OF SCABBARD) AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THE SCABBARD TIP? MOP (MOTHER OF PEARL) ON HORSEHOOF POMMEL LIKE THAT SEEN AROUND ZAMBOANGA IN MINDANAO.

M34 GOOD PATINA TO POMMEL GOOD QUALITY SILVER FITTINGS , MISSING BACA BACA WHAT APPEARS TO BE A VERY INTERESTING PATTERN TO THE BLADE, OR IS IT RUST STAINS? PICTURES MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL.
I AM GLAD TO SEE YOU DIG THESE OUT, PART OF THE JOY OF COLLECTING IS HANDELING, DISPLAYING AND GIVING THESE ITEMS THE CARE THEY DESERVE. IT IS SORT OF LIKE PAINTING A OLD FADED FLAKEY HOUSE YOU CAN EASILY SEE AND APPRECIATE THE RESULTS OF YOUR WORK WHEN ITS DONE. I THINK I ENJOY RESCURING AN OLD ITEM IN NEED OF TLC (TENDER LOVING CARE)OVER BUYING A PERFECT RESTORED ITEM. THE RESULTS WHEN THE JOB IS DONE AND THE ITEM LOOKS GOOD AND CARED FOR AGAIN IS ITS OWN REWARD.

RSWORD · 1st February 2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

No interest? No comments?

It has been very nice for Bill to share a lot of pieces from his collection and I have enjoyed the variety and it has been fun to know these have been gun show pick up's for the most part over the years. I'm hoping he'll do an Asian one featuring Burmese/Thai, Tibetan and Chinese.

23rd December 2011, 10:20 AM	#2
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 940	A most interesting discussion, thank you all. Here is the next installment: Attached Images

23rd December 2011, 03:33 PM	#5
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 940	Be nice! I should like to suggest to participants that admonishments about condition and care of presented artifacts are best handled by private message.

27th January 2012, 05:39 PM	#10
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 940	continuing... Attached Images

1st February 2012, 02:24 PM	#11
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 940	No interest? No comments? Attached Images

20th December 2011, 02:58 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Lots of trade - a good point. Thats why we see a mix of styles on some pieces and it gets confusing. Something Cato does not mention. I have a little more faith in some classification than Ron, but what he says is also true.

23rd December 2011, 12:31 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	ooh, whistlin', you need to take off that red rust on the first kris. that's painful to look at...

23rd December 2011, 04:18 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,272	Sorry, don't want to attack someone!

24th December 2011, 01:13 AM	#7
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	just a knee jerk reaction, lee, especially to an object that has cultural significance to some of us

1st February 2012, 07:24 PM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	M9 KNOTWORK ON GRIP AND SCABBARD IN NAUTICAL STYLE NOT OLD TRIBAL FORM OF WORK. UNUSUALLY LONG METAL FERRULE SHOWING MAKES ONE WONDER IF THE ENTIRE HANDLE IS NOT COVERED IN METAL UNDER THE WRAP. NICE FILE WORK ON THE BLADE.PERHAPS NOT THE ORIGINAL HANDLE. M10 NICE ALL ORIGINAL KRIS AND SCABBARD WITH CLOTH (ANTING ANTING)? A CLOSE UP OF THE PATTERN OF THE CLOTH MAY SHED MORE LIGHT ON ITS TRIBE AND ORIGION AS IT APPEARS TO BE TRIBAL MADE CLOTH AND PATTERN. M11 STRIKES ME AS NON MORO LIKELY VISIAN INSURECTION PERIOD, UNUSUAL SCABBARD FORM ESPECIALLY THE TIP. M33 RATHER CRUDE FILE WORK ON BELALAI GANJAH, UNUSUAL FORM OF WRANGKA (TOP OF SCABBARD) AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THE SCABBARD TIP? MOP (MOTHER OF PEARL) ON HORSEHOOF POMMEL LIKE THAT SEEN AROUND ZAMBOANGA IN MINDANAO. M34 GOOD PATINA TO POMMEL GOOD QUALITY SILVER FITTINGS , MISSING BACA BACA WHAT APPEARS TO BE A VERY INTERESTING PATTERN TO THE BLADE, OR IS IT RUST STAINS? PICTURES MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL. I AM GLAD TO SEE YOU DIG THESE OUT, PART OF THE JOY OF COLLECTING IS HANDELING, DISPLAYING AND GIVING THESE ITEMS THE CARE THEY DESERVE. IT IS SORT OF LIKE PAINTING A OLD FADED FLAKEY HOUSE YOU CAN EASILY SEE AND APPRECIATE THE RESULTS OF YOUR WORK WHEN ITS DONE. I THINK I ENJOY RESCURING AN OLD ITEM IN NEED OF TLC (TENDER LOVING CARE)OVER BUYING A PERFECT RESTORED ITEM. THE RESULTS WHEN THE JOB IS DONE AND THE ITEM LOOKS GOOD AND CARED FOR AGAIN IS ITS OWN REWARD.