Whistlinbill's Collection #1: Kris

Rick · 17th December 2011, 02:18 AM

Maranao ?

, I like the multiple fullers on the left hand example; not to mention the sepokal-like curve to the blade; wonder if that one might be Sulu ...

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Nice start .

VANDOO · 17th December 2011, 05:16 AM

ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO LOOK AT NICE KRIS

AT FIRST GLANCE A NOVICE MIGHT CONSIDER THESE 5 EXAMPLES TO BE MUCH ALIKE. BUT ON CLOSER OBSERVATION THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES REPRESENTED HERE.
FROM THE TOP DOWN,4 EXAMPLES HAVE COCATOOA POMELS AND M5 HAS A HORSEHOOF POMMEL.
M3 AND M4 HAVE METAL COLLARS BETWEEN THE POMMEL AND GRIP IS THIS A MARANO FEATURE?.
M1 AND M5 HAVE ROUND GRIPS WHILE M2,M3,M4 HAVE ROUGHLY RETANGULAR GRIPS.
M3, M4, M5 HAVE METAL FERRULES THE OTHER 2 DO NOT.
M5 STILL HAS 2 BACA BACA STRAPS, M2 HAS ONE BACA BACA AND EITHER A WIRE OR FIBER STRAP.
ALL KRIS APEAR TO HAVE SEPARATE GAURD OR GANJA.
THE FILE WORK ON THE GAURD SIDE (GANGYA) THOUGH SIMULAR IS A BIT DIFFERENT ON EACH KRIS M5 BEING THE MOST ELABORATE.
THE OTHER SIDE (GANGYA, SAME NAME) HAS WHAT IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE ELEPHANTS HEAD AND THE CURLED PART BEING THE TRUNK. THERE IS QUITE A VARIATY OF FORM AND WORKMANSHIP SHOWN HERE. I OFTEN WONDER IF THERE IS ANY RELATION IN THIS DESIGN TO THE VERY SIMPLE BY COMPARISON KAUDI IN KUKRI FROM NEPAL AND INDIA. ?
THE BLADES M1 AND M5 STRAIGHT I LIKE THE FULLERS AND DECORATIONS ON THESE TWO BLADES. THE OTHER THREE M2 FULL WAVED BLADE, M3 HALF WAVED HALF STRAIGHT AND M4 PERHAPS 1 THIRD WAVED.
PERHAPS SOMEONE NEW TO THE MORO KRIS CAN LEARN FROM SUCH SIMPLE OBSERVATIONS. SORRY TO RAMBLE ON BUT I JUST COULDN'T SAY COOL AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOME MORE OF THESE BEAUTYS.

Spunjer · 17th December 2011, 01:24 PM

beautiful krisses! these are the ones that worn daily by the common man. really like those ones with rattan grips

whistlinbill · 17th December 2011, 02:47 PM

Rick, thanks for your kind comments!
Bill Adams

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Maranao ?

, I like the multiple fullers on the left hand example; not to mention the sepokal-like curve to the blade; wonder if that one might be Sulu ...

.

Nice start .

Sajen · 17th December 2011, 04:59 PM

Very nice krisses!

Have they sheaths?
Like the M1 with the fullers and the last one even if it not so old.

Regards,

Detlef

Rick · 17th December 2011, 05:36 PM

D'you suppose we could call this featurless Kakatua pommel unique to the Maranao group ?

Sajen · 17th December 2011, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

D'you suppose we could call this featurless Kakatua pommel unique to the Maranao group ?

Hi Rick,

I don't think that this are all Maranao kris. The "M" staying for Moro. Try to download the picture and you will see.

I think the most are Maguindanao.

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 17th December 2011, 07:02 PM

I agree with Sajen - most are Maguindanao. Interesting set.

Rick · 17th December 2011, 11:39 PM

Okay, so they are Maguindanao; I always get them confused ..

The question remains the same just change the name .

17th December 2011, 02:18 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Maranao ? , I like the multiple fullers on the left hand example; not to mention the sepokal-like curve to the blade; wonder if that one might be Sulu ... . Nice start .

17th December 2011, 05:16 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO LOOK AT NICE KRIS AT FIRST GLANCE A NOVICE MIGHT CONSIDER THESE 5 EXAMPLES TO BE MUCH ALIKE. BUT ON CLOSER OBSERVATION THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES REPRESENTED HERE. FROM THE TOP DOWN,4 EXAMPLES HAVE COCATOOA POMELS AND M5 HAS A HORSEHOOF POMMEL. M3 AND M4 HAVE METAL COLLARS BETWEEN THE POMMEL AND GRIP IS THIS A MARANO FEATURE?. M1 AND M5 HAVE ROUND GRIPS WHILE M2,M3,M4 HAVE ROUGHLY RETANGULAR GRIPS. M3, M4, M5 HAVE METAL FERRULES THE OTHER 2 DO NOT. M5 STILL HAS 2 BACA BACA STRAPS, M2 HAS ONE BACA BACA AND EITHER A WIRE OR FIBER STRAP. ALL KRIS APEAR TO HAVE SEPARATE GAURD OR GANJA. THE FILE WORK ON THE GAURD SIDE (GANGYA) THOUGH SIMULAR IS A BIT DIFFERENT ON EACH KRIS M5 BEING THE MOST ELABORATE. THE OTHER SIDE (GANGYA, SAME NAME) HAS WHAT IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE ELEPHANTS HEAD AND THE CURLED PART BEING THE TRUNK. THERE IS QUITE A VARIATY OF FORM AND WORKMANSHIP SHOWN HERE. I OFTEN WONDER IF THERE IS ANY RELATION IN THIS DESIGN TO THE VERY SIMPLE BY COMPARISON KAUDI IN KUKRI FROM NEPAL AND INDIA. ? THE BLADES M1 AND M5 STRAIGHT I LIKE THE FULLERS AND DECORATIONS ON THESE TWO BLADES. THE OTHER THREE M2 FULL WAVED BLADE, M3 HALF WAVED HALF STRAIGHT AND M4 PERHAPS 1 THIRD WAVED. PERHAPS SOMEONE NEW TO THE MORO KRIS CAN LEARN FROM SUCH SIMPLE OBSERVATIONS. SORRY TO RAMBLE ON BUT I JUST COULDN'T SAY COOL AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOME MORE OF THESE BEAUTYS.

17th December 2011, 01:24 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	beautiful krisses! these are the ones that worn daily by the common man. really like those ones with rattan grips

17th December 2011, 04:59 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,418	Very nice krisses! Have they sheaths? Like the M1 with the fullers and the last one even if it not so old. Regards, Detlef

17th December 2011, 05:36 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	D'you suppose we could call this featurless Kakatua pommel unique to the Maranao group ?

17th December 2011, 07:02 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I agree with Sajen - most are Maguindanao. Interesting set.

17th December 2011, 11:39 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Okay, so they are Maguindanao; I always get them confused .. The question remains the same just change the name .