A unique bronze barrel wall gun (doppelter Doppelhaken), Nuremberg, ca. 1515-20

cannonmn · 7th December 2011, 03:34 AM

Michael, thanks so much for translating that difficult text, it certainly clears up a lot. That's the first mention I've seen anywhere that he had a brother named Hans, although the writeup begins with "Hans Ulrich von Schellenberg" and I did not understand why Hans was in block type font and 'Ulrich von Schellenberg' was in italics. Perhaps to someone more familiar with the ADB format, this would indicate two different people were being named. Brother Hans got such brief mention that I completely missed it. I greatly appreciate the assistance.

Matchlock · 7th December 2011, 05:37 AM

Here are the coats-of-arms of the von-Schellenberg family,

a) 16th c., Kissleg, Allgäu, Southwest Bavaria, and
b) their device of 1609 (after Siebmacher).

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cannonmn · 7th December 2011, 11:00 AM

You are correct. Those bars and colors of the basic "blazon" are always present. The shield shape changed over time with the general practice of the heralds.

The following well-known book shows an earlier shield type that matches the shield shape on the hackbut. The book states that this earlier shape which I call the "coffee cup" was used only from 1470-1525, as I recall on page 72 or nearby.

Author: Ottfried Neubecker
Title: "Heraldry; Sources, Symbols, and Meaning"
Price: US$ 4.06
Book Description: 288 pp., folding plate, hardcover, very good in a very good dust jacket

7th December 2011, 03:34 AM	#1
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Thanks etc. Michael, thanks so much for translating that difficult text, it certainly clears up a lot. That's the first mention I've seen anywhere that he had a brother named Hans, although the writeup begins with "Hans Ulrich von Schellenberg" and I did not understand why Hans was in block type font and 'Ulrich von Schellenberg' was in italics. Perhaps to someone more familiar with the ADB format, this would indicate two different people were being named. Brother Hans got such brief mention that I completely missed it. I greatly appreciate the assistance.

7th December 2011, 05:37 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Here are the coats-of-arms of the von-Schellenberg family, a) 16th c., Kissleg, Allgäu, Southwest Bavaria, and b) their device of 1609 (after Siebmacher). m Attached Images

7th December 2011, 11:00 AM	#3
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Agree. You are correct. Those bars and colors of the basic "blazon" are always present. The shield shape changed over time with the general practice of the heralds. The following well-known book shows an earlier shield type that matches the shield shape on the hackbut. The book states that this earlier shape which I call the "coffee cup" was used only from 1470-1525, as I recall on page 72 or nearby. Author: Ottfried Neubecker Title: "Heraldry; Sources, Symbols, and Meaning" Price: US$ 4.06 Book Description: 288 pp., folding plate, hardcover, very good in a very good dust jacket