PALEMBANG HILT AND KERIS

Unkiemonk · 16th September 2011, 04:41 PM

Hi all,
Hoping this thread may find some new activity as it touches on carving styles of the Lampung region. I acquired what I believe to be a late 18th century south Sumatran war canoe prow some time ago and have had some degree of trouble confirming its place of manufacture. After stumbling across this thread and references to hilts of the Lampung region in Gaspard de Narval’s ‘Ukiran’, the stylistic similarities between the prow and the Jawa Demam hilts of Lampung are the closest I have yet identified. To me, the spiral eyes and wing motif are the most similar stylistic traits to that seen on the Lampung hilts, though this may be way off the mark.The shortage of texts on Lampung carving styles/motifs has left me a little frustrated, so I was hoping for any and all suggestions or thoughts on the prow, including suggested reading.

Any thoughts on tribal origin, motif (Garuda?), symbolism, type of timber (Teak?), or age, would be greatly appreciated. Some incised decoration depicting a bull/buffalo, centipede and possibly a scorpion appear on the neck of the prow (unsure of their symbolic meaning).
Many thanks,

Unk

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David · 18th September 2011, 05:07 PM

Oh, i see you already saw this thread.

I believe most of these hilts are either Palembang or Cirebon, not Lampung.
As for you attachments, they need to be added directly to this site via our Manage Attachments button. Thanks...

Rick · 20th September 2011, 12:29 AM

^^^
This .
We need pictures for the archive; not links .

Links die and then the thread becomes useless .

ganjawulung · 5th October 2011, 03:33 AM

18th September 2011, 05:07 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,230	Oh, i see you already saw this thread. I believe most of these hilts are either Palembang or Cirebon, not Lampung. As for you attachments, they need to be added directly to this site via our Manage Attachments button. Thanks... Last edited by David; 19th September 2011 at 09:01 PM.

5th October 2011, 03:33 AM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	More display More on Palembang hulu and keris... Attached Images

7th October 2011, 02:37 AM	#6
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Old ones, dear Detlef. I hope you could see the different yellow of those golds. Not dark yellow, but light yellow... Later I would post the close ups. Thks GANJAWULUNG

7th October 2011, 03:13 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Palembang Pendokok Close ups of the Palembang pendokoks, as requested by Detlef... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

16th September 2011, 04:41 PM	#1
Unkiemonk Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2	Hi all, Hoping this thread may find some new activity as it touches on carving styles of the Lampung region. I acquired what I believe to be a late 18th century south Sumatran war canoe prow some time ago and have had some degree of trouble confirming its place of manufacture. After stumbling across this thread and references to hilts of the Lampung region in Gaspard de Narval’s ‘Ukiran’, the stylistic similarities between the prow and the Jawa Demam hilts of Lampung are the closest I have yet identified. To me, the spiral eyes and wing motif are the most similar stylistic traits to that seen on the Lampung hilts, though this may be way off the mark.The shortage of texts on Lampung carving styles/motifs has left me a little frustrated, so I was hoping for any and all suggestions or thoughts on the prow, including suggested reading. Any thoughts on tribal origin, motif (Garuda?), symbolism, type of timber (Teak?), or age, would be greatly appreciated. Some incised decoration depicting a bull/buffalo, centipede and possibly a scorpion appear on the neck of the prow (unsure of their symbolic meaning). Many thanks, Unk [IMG]www.flickr.com/photos/67622735@N06/6152721025/[/IMG]

20th September 2011, 12:29 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	^^^ This . We need pictures for the archive; not links . Links die and then the thread becomes useless .