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24th April 2011, 09:04 PM
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You're welcome Erik. Mine and the other one that I had seen are straight, just like yours. But it seems form the pic, there's curved ones as well..
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24th April 2011, 09:27 PM
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Hello Rasdan,
I noted that too. How strange that the same type of weapon appears in these different places, Sumatra, Borneo and Malasia. I recently saw a picture from a friend with a ruler of Kutai in Borneo with an Aceh sikin with crowns. I was quite surprised by that! Erik Quote:
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24th April 2011, 09:31 PM
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Yes Erik, which makes collecting and researching more fun.
 I'll try to take some pictures of my sword and post it here later.
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24th April 2011, 09:42 PM
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Please do so Rasdan, it seems very little has been written about this type of weapon. I will see what I can find more. This might make a nice article!
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24th April 2011, 11:05 PM
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Nice find Erik and thanks for the great reference pictures Rasdan.
In Gardner's book Keris and Other Malay Weapons from 1936 you can find out more about the Malay Peninsular Chenangkas. Michael http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7338 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10183 Last edited by VVV; 24th April 2011 at 11:26 PM. Reason: added links to further references |
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25th April 2011, 05:30 AM
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Hello all,
Thank you very much for the pointers VVV! Have heard of the word, but I don't know this is the one and I never noticed that in Gardner's book. The one that CharlesS have is marvellous! Never seen one with a locally forged blade before. Here's the photos of my chenangkas. The repair at the end of the sheath is recent. I think the main difference with Borneo and Batak ones is probably the cup design. Also the screw in the cup is flush with the cup egde compared to the slightly longer screw in Sumatran ones. The plating at mid section of the hilt had worn off, and the white metal can be seen. Last edited by rasdan; 25th April 2011 at 05:43 AM. |
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25th April 2011, 06:50 AM
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Hi Rasdan,
Unfortunately the screw in the cup in mine is gone so that does not help. The design on the crosspiece of yours is like a leaf or something else organic. I have a Batak one with almost the same design which is done in brass. The ornamentation of the cup is new to me - I have not seen it before. Indeed very interesting! I have added a picture of mine - this is the one with a VOC marked blade by the way. Erik Quote:
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25th April 2011, 06:46 AM
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Good to hear from you Michael and thanks for the info! I'll pick up Gardner immediately from my bookshelf!
And just did - never did take notice of these remarks. Also interesting the reference to blades with the cipher of the Dutch company (VOC) in the Raffles museum! I have a piso podang with a laminated blade with VOC markings. It is clear the blade is very old and not a recent tourist example - I would say 150 years or more but it does sound very unlikely that the VOC would use laminated blades - the original ones have very simple steel blades. My hypothesis is that European blades had more status and that was a reason for adding stamps that are not original to the blade to improve the status of the weapons. Maybe something for a different thread.... The problem is there are also recent copies of these which makes the research much more diffuse. Quote:
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