Indian Tulwar: important?

[Jens Nordlunde]

Ariel,

I believe this hilt type is quite a bit older than 16th to 17th century, but so far I have to prove it J.

To prove it would take quite a lot of research, and for the moment I am engaged in some other research, and then follows another one, and another one.

Although I have stopped to work, I do sometimes wonder from where I get the time.

Jens

[ariel]

No respite for the sinners :-)
Just to think I am looking forward to retirement...
Glad to know it is objectively " important". The equivalent of a family lunch in a Chinese take-out was well spent:-)
Many thanks.

Ariel

[spiral]

My post was my honest thoughts & immediate feelings Ariel, i did understand what you & indeed Elgood meant, My answear still stands though.

It hadnt occured to me when I posted my repley but, I can still recall, that one of the rarest, most well crafted, unusual & possibly expensive Piha Katta grips ever seen when posted for the second tiome on this forum, inspired your comment something along the lines of you that you failed to see why it was important. {Havent bothered to look up the thread so please forgive me if my recall is inaccurate.} Thats fair enough, Thats how I see things, as individuals we all do decide whats important for us. If a demi God like Elgood says something is important the nature of man is that many of us will agree.

Sadley the provinaced pieces I was thinking of collected pre, 1920 {By an Infamous British Officer.} {who had also picked up the jewled Piha kaetta hilt somewher on his travels} & earlier that I once posesesd are long gone, It was a group of 3 blades, a customised Afghan Sashqa & two Afghan tulwars all with identical blades bearing, what is usualy refered to on this forum as Mazar al sharif arsenal markings. {In fact I understand more recent research appears is actualy the Afghanistan goverement ownership marking & was often placed on firearms as well as swords & bayonets etc. made & stored in Kabul arsenal.}

But I digress & sadley I cant link to any esteemeed authers on the subject, & also have to state I cant guarantee any rehandling of the Afghan blades had ever occured pre 1920 or that Although he served in the 3rd Afghan war thathe hadnt picked them up elswhere pre.1920.


I still think whats important is mostly personal, but of course concide some pieces are important to many or most of us serious collectors.

Either way you have an interesting sword, sadley it may mean Ive let more important pieces move on to new guardians than I realised, but if thats the case, then hopefully thier current guardians are the right people for them to be with.


spiral

[ariel]

Spiral,

The thread you refer to discusses Italian-made Piha Kaetta. My one and only remark on the subject was:
"If the Italians can make Piha Kaettas, why wouldn't the Rajastanis make Dhas or the Thais Kastanes?
Weapons know not borders.....
(Am I misquoting someone famous?)"

Well, I was prophetic:-) :

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=758

As you see, there was not a trace of sarcasm or disrespect. Your recall was, indeed, inaccurate. But that's beyond the point.

My point is that there are "subjective importances" and "objective importances". The former cannot be judged, the latter must. Dom's example of a 150 years old nimcha-like dagger from his military unit is a wonderful example of the former (BTW, Dom, congratulations!). But even the most plain sword providing evidence for a groundbreaking event or development, or belonging to a truly famous historical personality is objectively important. This is where I think my new tulwar belongs. Thanks to Jens for providing the confirmation.
Best wishes,
Ariel

[spiral]

Originally Posted by ariel

Your recall was, indeed, inaccurate. But that's beyond the point.
Best wishes,
Ariel

I meant the Piha Katta in this thread Ariel.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=bonhams

In which you said,

Originally Posted by ariel

I would not have guessed Ceylonese either, fail to see the importance of it and would not dream of bidding on it, but what the heck!

But I agree about your description of objective importance, for myself the examples listed would come under whats personaly important to me as well, I just think not evryone always agrees on exactly what makes a piece important.

I think we both regard with respect many pieces as important. Just not always exactly the same pieces.

Thanks for the link to other thread, Id somehow missed that one

All the best,
Spiral