Dagger with gryphon head guillon terminals

Matchlock · 3rd January 2011, 09:50 PM

Hi Cornelis,

Thank you so much for your kind lines!

I surmised you owned that booklet.

Good question - I'm not sure. The style is grotesquely zoomorphic and characteristically Gothic anyway, just like the gargoyles on Gothic cathedrals. They were the nearest I could get to 'gryphon heads', so - sorry if they don't perfectly match.

Good night to the Netherlands and an obviously fine collection there,
Michael

Hotspur · 4th January 2011, 12:34 AM

It is interesting how styles of beasties traverse the centuries. This one from the late 19th century but reminiscent of dirk quillion a century before that This one possibly arguable as the head of a porpoise and the ballock above quite canine.

Cheers

GC

cornelistromp · 4th January 2011, 07:25 AM

horsemouthswords.

Matchlock · 4th January 2011, 07:08 PM

Superb,

And thank you for sharing those!

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 28th December 2011, 10:44 AM

here is a second example of a gryphon dagger outof the frits Phillips collection.
This dagger is clearly found in the soil, probably in the Netherlands, because Phillips collected mainly Dutch gothic antiques.
Those are the only 2 known to me, Iam still hoping for some additional examples.

best,

cornelistromp · 12th February 2013, 07:25 AM

analmost similar gryphon dagger from the weapon museum in brussels.
early 15th century inv h/519/VI8

Pukka Bundook · 12th February 2013, 03:57 PM

Jasper,

That is a lovely example shown in the last photos, and has to be very closely related to yours.
I am wondering if these are not wolf heads though, as I can see ears laid back against the neck....(I think!)
I will save these pictures. Thank you for posting them.

One of the first things that came to mind when I saw this post, was;
"I wonder if through travel, the Arabs came in contact with this style of quillon?...as it seems more than a little similar to the Pulwar/Pulouar"

Best,
Richard.

4th January 2011, 12:34 AM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 514	It is interesting how styles of beasties traverse the centuries. This one from the late 19th century but reminiscent of dirk quillion a century before that This one possibly arguable as the head of a porpoise and the ballock above quite canine. Cheers GC Attached Images

4th January 2011, 07:25 AM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	horsemouthswords. Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 4th January 2011 at 07:58 AM.

28th December 2011, 10:44 AM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	here is a second example of a gryphon dagger outof the frits Phillips collection. This dagger is clearly found in the soil, probably in the Netherlands, because Phillips collected mainly Dutch gothic antiques. Those are the only 2 known to me, Iam still hoping for some additional examples. best, Attached Images

12th February 2013, 07:25 AM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	analmost similar gryphon dagger from the weapon museum in brussels. early 15th century inv h/519/VI8 Attached Images

3rd January 2011, 09:50 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cornelis, Thank you so much for your kind lines! I surmised you owned that booklet. Good question - I'm not sure. The style is grotesquely zoomorphic and characteristically Gothic anyway, just like the gargoyles on Gothic cathedrals. They were the nearest I could get to 'gryphon heads', so - sorry if they don't perfectly match. Good night to the Netherlands and an obviously fine collection there, Michael

4th January 2011, 07:08 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Superb, And thank you for sharing those! Best, Michael

12th February 2013, 03:57 PM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Jasper, That is a lovely example shown in the last photos, and has to be very closely related to yours. I am wondering if these are not wolf heads though, as I can see ears laid back against the neck....(I think!) I will save these pictures. Thank you for posting them. One of the first things that came to mind when I saw this post, was; "I wonder if through travel, the Arabs came in contact with this style of quillon?...as it seems more than a little similar to the Pulwar/Pulouar" Best, Richard.