A rapier for Christmas

celtan · 13th December 2010, 06:54 PM

Oh, you mean a "rebanada" (slice)...

Geez, you portuguese can't speak cristiano worth-a-darn. For a time I was trying to imagine some sort of bizarre local pastry made from rabanos (radish)...

: )

Now seriously, a rabanada sounds awfully similar to a "torreja". But when you add Oporto, it must taste much, much better. In fact, my mouth is actually watering at the thought...

And Jim, we may not have egnogg, but we have "queimadas",which is a vast improvement on the theme.

Merry Xmas to all ! (or in cristiano: "Feliz Navidad")

: )

M

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Ah ah ah .
Oh Jim, i can't avoid laughing with my unwanted mistracking

... while i stand on my knees

I meant duel ... the mispelling completely drove you off

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A rabanada is a local Christmas ex-libris. It is no drink, but a delicious dainty made with slices of (two days dried) bread, fried with tons of egg yolk and sugar, cinnamon and lemon scraping. You may add some honey or Port whine; not much octane though ... but i loved your guessing

celtan · 14th December 2010, 02:42 AM

Oopsies!

Jim, seems I inadvertently cross posted with the blade shape thread. Would you kindly relocate these posts to the correct thread?

Best regards

M

fernando · 14th December 2010, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celtan

... Oopsies!
Jim, seems I inadvertently cross posted with the blade shape thread. Would you kindly relocate these posts to the correct thread?
Best regards
M

Done; not thoroughly ... but done

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Trond · 23rd January 2011, 06:03 PM

New member of the forum here. I'm mainly into Norwegian Small-Arms and blades, but also have some rapiers, schiavonas etc. One of my rapiers seems very alike the really nice one you are showing, but I have always believed mine to be a German hilted Toledo blade from the mid 1600s. The stamp on the blade is a crowned F.

Any more information on it would be appreciated.

Trond

fernando · 23rd January 2011, 07:15 PM

Hi Trond
Welcome to the forum.

First of all, it would be so nice if you decided to show us some more pieces of your collection; be sure they will be much appreciated by our fellow members.

Great rapier you show us here.
What gives you the impression that it is German hilted ?
In any case, your sword is similar to mine, but not precisely equal; the quillons, above all, show somehow a different attitude. I am not a specialist, but the visible differences could reveal to an expert a different country of provenance.
A pity that the pictures, although very clear, do not show us details like the inscription in the blade and the maker's mark on the ricasso.
There are quite a few Spanish sword smiths who signed with a crowned crowned F, as can be seen here:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0789#post90789
You can try and establish in that listing which crowned F is in your sword, but it would be also most interesting if you post here some close up pictures of both mark and inscription.

Trond · 23rd January 2011, 08:13 PM

Here is the crowned F from the blade:

The text on the blade seems to be the same on both sides, but is difficult to read:

Trond

fernando · 23rd January 2011, 09:17 PM

This would be the mark of Francisco Perez, listed as #33 in Palomar's nomina of Toledo sword smiths (see the posted link).
The inscription in the blade reads FRANCISCO PEREZ FECIT IN TOLEDO.
I just don't like the 'fecit' (made ((it)) mention; usually more used by German sword makers, i guess.
We know German and Spanish smiths kept copying one eachother.
Let's see what other members say about this.

14th December 2010, 02:42 AM	#2
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Oopsies! Jim, seems I inadvertently cross posted with the blade shape thread. Would you kindly relocate these posts to the correct thread? Best regards M

23rd January 2011, 06:03 PM	#4
Trond Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 30	New member of the forum here. I'm mainly into Norwegian Small-Arms and blades, but also have some rapiers, schiavonas etc. One of my rapiers seems very alike the really nice one you are showing, but I have always believed mine to be a German hilted Toledo blade from the mid 1600s. The stamp on the blade is a crowned F. Any more information on it would be appreciated. Trond

23rd January 2011, 07:15 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Trond Welcome to the forum. First of all, it would be so nice if you decided to show us some more pieces of your collection; be sure they will be much appreciated by our fellow members. Great rapier you show us here. What gives you the impression that it is German hilted ? In any case, your sword is similar to mine, but not precisely equal; the quillons, above all, show somehow a different attitude. I am not a specialist, but the visible differences could reveal to an expert a different country of provenance. A pity that the pictures, although very clear, do not show us details like the inscription in the blade and the maker's mark on the ricasso. There are quite a few Spanish sword smiths who signed with a crowned crowned F, as can be seen here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0789#post90789 You can try and establish in that listing which crowned F is in your sword, but it would be also most interesting if you post here some close up pictures of both mark and inscription.

23rd January 2011, 08:13 PM	#6
Trond Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 30	Here is the crowned F from the blade: The text on the blade seems to be the same on both sides, but is difficult to read: Trond

23rd January 2011, 09:17 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	This would be the mark of Francisco Perez, listed as #33 in Palomar's nomina of Toledo sword smiths (see the posted link). The inscription in the blade reads FRANCISCO PEREZ FECIT IN TOLEDO. I just don't like the 'fecit' (made ((it)) mention; usually more used by German sword makers, i guess. We know German and Spanish smiths kept copying one eachother. Let's see what other members say about this.