Kris/Sundang just finished on ebay.

VANDOO · 13th November 2010, 04:36 PM

I BID ON THIS ITEM BUT IT DIDN'T GO HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE SELLERS POOR PICTURE. I WOULD HAVE BID HIGHER IF I HAD BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE FILEWORK AND HANDLE. THIS IS A GOOD OLD UNTOUCHED MORO FIGHTING KRIS SWORD IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A PATTERENED BLADE BUT THE WORKMANSHIP IS GOOD AND I SUSPECT IT IS A FOLDED HAND FORGED BLADE WITH VERY SHARP EDGES EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. IT MAY BE FROM MINDANO ISLAND PHILLIPPINES OR BORNEO, BRUNI OR EVEN MALAYSIA THE MORO WERE PRESENT OR TRAVELED IN ALL AREAS.
THE FILEWORK IS DIFFERENT FROM ANY I HAVE SEEN AND VERY WELL DONE LOOKS A LOT LIKE MALAY WORK SOMEONE GOT A GOOD BUY ON THIS ONE WISH IT HAD BEEN ME.

Battara · 13th November 2010, 06:09 PM

You are all right in that it is Moro. It is indeed from Mindanao, in fact it is Maranao in origin.

Pukka Bundook · 14th November 2010, 02:32 PM

Thank you for your replies, Vandoo and Battara.

I felt rather sick, not bidding, as it seemed "right" to me, and I have not seen nicer file-work, but as I am unschooled in these weapons, thought I'd better hold off!

Would the hilt have been better dressed at some time?
The rather plain hilt was what piqued my interest actually,.....Not at all 'touristy'!
Thank you again.
Now I can go away and feel narked with myself for not bidding!

Sajen · 14th November 2010, 04:07 PM

It is my guess that it isn't the original hilt and maybe a later replacement.

It will come the next chance to get a nice Moro kris for a good price.

I know from what I speak!

Battara · 14th November 2010, 06:20 PM

I agree with Sajen that this work on the hilt is later and the original stuff was stripped.

kai · 15th November 2010, 01:14 AM

Hello Richard,

Quote:

and I have not seen nicer file-work, but as I am unschooled in these weapons, thought I'd better hold off!

Actually, this style of "greneng" is not traditional - if you're looking for a typical 19th c. Moro kris, it was good to pass up on this piece IMHO.

While the quality of the file work does look good and the special style is certainly of interest, I'd guess that this is a 20th c. blade. The separation line does look a bit weird to me and I'm far from convinced that this blade really has a seperate gangya rather than an engraved line...

Hilt does look like a makeshift repair, indeed.

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 15th November 2010, 03:15 AM

I agree with you Kai in that the blade is probably 20c, perhaps 1920s. However, the separation line does not look like the typical engraved line to me. Better close ups of the line might help us solve the problem.

Pukka Bundook · 15th November 2010, 08:06 PM

Thank you again, for sharing your knowlege and advice so freely.

Reading your replies and the other recent posts on Philippine weaponry
has already opened my eyes to quite a lot!

Thank you, Gentlemen, for your generosity!!

Richard.

Rick · 16th November 2010, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Richard,

Actually, this style of "greneng" is not traditional - if you're looking for a typical 19th c. Moro kris, it was good to pass up on this piece IMHO.

While the quality of the file work does look good and the special style is certainly of interest, I'd guess that this is a 20th c. blade. The separation line does look a bit weird to me and I'm far from convinced that this blade really has a seperate gangya rather than an engraved line...

Hilt does look like a makeshift repair, indeed.

Regards,
Kai

Desperate measures for desperate times, eh ?

Certainly not aimed at the 'pleasure travelers' market .

Make do or do without .

They made do .

Rick

14th November 2010, 02:32 PM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Thank you for your replies, Vandoo and Battara. I felt rather sick, not bidding, as it seemed "right" to me, and I have not seen nicer file-work, but as I am unschooled in these weapons, thought I'd better hold off! Would the hilt have been better dressed at some time? The rather plain hilt was what piqued my interest actually,.....Not at all 'touristy'! Thank you again. Now I can go away and feel narked with myself for not bidding! Last edited by Pukka Bundook; 14th November 2010 at 03:03 PM. Reason: To add a few lines.

13th November 2010, 04:36 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I BID ON THIS ITEM BUT IT DIDN'T GO HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE SELLERS POOR PICTURE. I WOULD HAVE BID HIGHER IF I HAD BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE FILEWORK AND HANDLE. THIS IS A GOOD OLD UNTOUCHED MORO FIGHTING KRIS SWORD IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A PATTERENED BLADE BUT THE WORKMANSHIP IS GOOD AND I SUSPECT IT IS A FOLDED HAND FORGED BLADE WITH VERY SHARP EDGES EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. IT MAY BE FROM MINDANO ISLAND PHILLIPPINES OR BORNEO, BRUNI OR EVEN MALAYSIA THE MORO WERE PRESENT OR TRAVELED IN ALL AREAS. THE FILEWORK IS DIFFERENT FROM ANY I HAVE SEEN AND VERY WELL DONE LOOKS A LOT LIKE MALAY WORK SOMEONE GOT A GOOD BUY ON THIS ONE WISH IT HAD BEEN ME.

13th November 2010, 06:09 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	You are all right in that it is Moro. It is indeed from Mindanao, in fact it is Maranao in origin.

14th November 2010, 04:07 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,272	It is my guess that it isn't the original hilt and maybe a later replacement. It will come the next chance to get a nice Moro kris for a good price. I know from what I speak!

14th November 2010, 06:20 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	I agree with Sajen that this work on the hilt is later and the original stuff was stripped.

15th November 2010, 03:15 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	I agree with you Kai in that the blade is probably 20c, perhaps 1920s. However, the separation line does not look like the typical engraved line to me. Better close ups of the line might help us solve the problem.

15th November 2010, 08:06 PM	#8
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Thank you again, for sharing your knowlege and advice so freely. Reading your replies and the other recent posts on Philippine weaponry has already opened my eyes to quite a lot! Thank you, Gentlemen, for your generosity!! Richard.