ID on dagger ?

[Gavin Nugent]

African gets my vote, I have seen this confirmed but I can't recall...Algeria?

Gav

[Dom]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Algeria?

Hi Gav
forget Algeria, from near or far ... no chance
and, I dunno from where it's come from ...

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Dom

[ariel]

Any connection?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14807

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Gav
forget Algeria, from near or far ... no chance
and, I dunno from where it's come from ...

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Dom

Yes but why

[David]

An absolutely baseless opinion, but i would look north of Africa.

[Martin Lubojacky]

I would say the shape of the blade and the style of the leather sheath and its loop are not "native-African". (I think if it was originated in Africa, then only as a relatively modern hunter´s accessories.)

[chregu]

hello guys
Yes, please grant me a translation program. Smile.
sorry did not notice the error.
Of course, the sheath is meant. smile
not African, my assessment would be more North Asia? The design reminds me of a Dha, how about China?
In any case I've seen too many of the same Knife, to declare it as individual pieces. they are always exactly the same design, also the knife sheaths!
Gruss Chregu

[Martin Lubojacky]

I would also guess north Asia, What about some of the nations from the north Siberia ?

[Gavin Nugent]

Not limited to but;

Similar bolsters have been seen on Khodmi
The hilt is Elephant ivory
Similar markings on the ivory have also been seen on Khodmi
Similar method of seating the blade in the hilt has been seen on Khodmi despite having no binding.

Yes similar overall profile and circle markings have been seen on SEA knives too but they are not seen with hide coverings, usually better finished blades and timber sheaths bound with rattan or silver. Also they usually have collars, not bolsters.

Artzi has a couple of these attributed to several different regions, Afghanistan, Northwest India, and Pakistan...perhaps AJ or Lofty can chime in for this regions?

The closest I have owned to one was a mid 20th century Turkish hunting knife. The blade on it was named and the hilt was antler but similar blade and method of securing in the antler albeit longer rivet spacing....Turkey and North Africa have had a lot of interaction...could have been a contract fulfilled there much like some cutlers do in Pakistan these days...

Gav

[Dom]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Yes but why

Hi my Friend
BECAUSE ....
my belief was acquired by the ability to review, 7 reference books,
dealing primarily Islamic edged weapons, books that are at home

however, the error is always possible,
that is why we must be cautious in our statements, at least in my case

my personal library concerning this subject
1) Arms & Armor (in English)
2) L'Art des Chevaliers en Pays d'Islam (in French)
3) Swords & Armor (in English)
4) les armes orientales (in French)
5) ABC des armes blanches (Islam) (in French)
6) les armes orientales (in French)
7) armes et armures (in French)

on top of all that, I spent 6 years in Algeria,
I ran Tunisia, as well as Morocco, and I never saw something like this dagger
the quality of the handle, of the scabbard, it's far better than what it's produced in Africa, and the decor (small circles) it's away of what is made in North Africa

HAVE I WELL ANSWERED, YOUR HONOR? Have I convinced ?

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Dom

[Emanuel]

Hello,

We've discussed one of these before, along with a ram-dao like little chopper belonging to Tim:

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...1&page=2&pp=40
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.p...7&postcount=42

The bolster and partial tang say Nepal to me. I would also vote for North Indian.

Regards,
Emanuel

[Gavin Nugent]

Here is a little more food for thought.....

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=circle+motif

Not yet convinced of anything...still have not heard a fat lady singing

Gav

[hbhansen]

Originally Posted by Emanuel

Hello,

We've discussed one of these before, along with a ram-dao like little chopper belonging to Tim:

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...1&page=2&pp=40
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.p...7&postcount=42

The bolster and partial tang say Nepal to me. I would also vote for North Indian.

Regards,
Emanuel

Definitely from the same region !!

[Gavin Nugent]

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