Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
27th September 2005, 09:25 PM
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Hm. Looking at the image right way 'round, one...
Hm. Looking at the image right way 'round, one can (very weakly) argue that at the far left, there are some squiggles which if pressed, could be read as a date, 1220, or about 1806 in the Muslim...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
27th September 2005, 06:25 AM
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Replies: 22
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Point of order
This touches on a complex subject-- here are a few thoughts which hopefully will clarify the use of the term "Arabic": Arabic is both a language belonging to the Semitic family, spoken by Arab...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
27th September 2005, 12:14 AM
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
25th September 2005, 12:22 AM
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
23rd September 2005, 05:56 PM
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Replies: 93
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Ahriman,
I have been researching and...
Ahriman,
I have been researching and teaching in the field for many years (I once heard a student say, since the Franco-Prussian War.) Where arms and armour are concerned, one is well-advised not...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
19th September 2005, 04:11 PM
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Replies: 93
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Gentlemen,
Coats of the type you are...
Gentlemen,
Coats of the type you are referring to, with very large, flat rings are called BAYDANA in Russian. They were actually worn over another coat of smaller rings. The Mamluks also wore...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
19th September 2005, 02:47 PM
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
18th September 2005, 07:27 PM
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Gentlemen,
Rivkin is on the right track,...
Gentlemen,
Rivkin is on the right track, these kamas were produced in Trabzon during the first half of the 19th century. Latter 19th c. photos show that they were worn by Ottomans crosswise...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
16th September 2005, 03:49 AM
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
15th September 2005, 09:45 PM
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Replies: 93
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Gentlemen,
As a scholar, I agree it is...
Gentlemen,
As a scholar, I agree it is dangerous to make such definite statements; my intention in doing so was to stimulate thought and hopefully, to compel someone out there to try a practical...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
15th September 2005, 03:38 AM
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Replies: 93
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Gentlemen,
These are unquestionably greaves....
Gentlemen,
These are unquestionably greaves. Having tried on several in various collections, I can assure you that they fit the outer calf from just below the knee and completely cover the ankle,...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
15th September 2005, 03:22 AM
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Replies: 8
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Gentlemen,
This is an Afghan copy of an...
Gentlemen,
This is an Afghan copy of an English military pistol made c. 1900-1920.
While the brass and m.o.p. embellishments are typical, pistols were also made which duplicated the form of the...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
24th August 2005, 10:22 PM
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Replies: 42
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Gentlemen,
Though it is difficult to say...
Gentlemen,
Though it is difficult to say conclusively without handling it, I agree this is wootz-- in fact it is the same sort often found on the best Indian Sosun Pattah blades. Given the form,...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
24th August 2005, 10:18 PM
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Gentlemen,
For reasons I have never been able...
Gentlemen,
For reasons I have never been able to establish, Turkish museums and collectors refer to these as policeman's yatagans. This is a typical example: broad, straight ears, long blade of...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
6th August 2005, 10:14 PM
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Gentlemen,
Though very similar in form and...
Gentlemen,
Though very similar in form and embellishment to Ottoman Arab provincial work, this saber is Bosnian-- the observation that the rose invokes Sufism is correct-- Bosnian Muslims were known...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
30th July 2005, 05:53 AM
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Replies: 128
Views: 139,104
[QUOTE=Rivkin]What Aqtai probably meant that...
[QUOTE=Rivkin]What Aqtai probably meant that until 1517 Mamluk could not have an arabic name - only turkish (independent of his origins). After 1517 in order to "ottomonize" them their were required...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
30th July 2005, 12:27 AM
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Replies: 128
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Aqtai,
Regarding the medallion on the...
Aqtai,
Regarding the medallion on the Ottoman shirt-- Arabic was the language of the Egyptian Province as you know. Mamluks were acquired from the Caucasus and Anatolia primarily, hence they spoke...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
29th July 2005, 11:38 PM
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Replies: 128
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Gentlemen,
The photos above are very...
Gentlemen,
The photos above are very useful-- the upper image of a heavy coat appears to be Mamluk though it is hard to tell without seeing the rings in better detail. The second, however is...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
29th July 2005, 07:35 PM
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Replies: 128
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Gentlemen,
Those of us who grew up in...
Gentlemen,
Those of us who grew up in Western Europe or America learned from museums, books and films that European mail was stronger than that used in the Islamic and Hindu East, as were the...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
21st July 2005, 04:53 PM
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Replies: 3
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Vandoo,
This is a nice example but...
Vandoo,
This is a nice example but likelier Hungarian work in the neoclassical style of the latter 19th century than Russian. Such weapons were popular at the Hungarian court along with...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
29th June 2005, 06:47 AM
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Replies: 9
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Rivkin,
Some of the images you've posted...
Rivkin,
Some of the images you've posted above are from Astvatsaturyan, don't recognize the others however. Can you cite the books from which the others came-- i.e. those of the 2 djigits?
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
29th June 2005, 05:54 AM
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Replies: 34
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B.I.,
Glad to know someone has these books....
B.I.,
Glad to know someone has these books. I was referring to plate 342 in Moser showing the secondary form of Bukhara sabers, in my copy the pages with plates are not numbered hence I used that...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
28th June 2005, 04:49 AM
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Replies: 34
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Rivkin,
It's Palestinian, the grip,...
Rivkin,
It's Palestinian, the grip, wiggle-engraving on the scabbard and suspension system are all characteristic of area Bedouin weapons.
Ariel,
I am traveling at present, I am sure some Forum...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
27th June 2005, 05:58 PM
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Replies: 34
Views: 54,403
Gentlemen,
Other than a passing similarity,...
Gentlemen,
Other than a passing similarity, I don't believe there is any formal relationship between the shashka and these Afghan sabers. Rather, they are very late 19th century developments based...
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons
23rd June 2005, 09:04 AM
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Replies: 69
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