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Old 18th March 2008, 08:44 AM   #1
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Default BUGIS KERIS 9 LUK for comments or fun

Lucky lucky lucky me.

I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.

Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?
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Old 18th March 2008, 10:44 AM   #2
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Niiiice blade Wilhem
I agree with you Raja abala raja luk 9.
after I look at your blade, i try to look at this 4 of blades and my feeling was zero

hhhmm....where in east of lombok to find old blade like yours

YOU REALY LUCKY WILHEM.

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Old 18th March 2008, 02:22 PM   #3
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Lucky lucky lucky me.
I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.
Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?
Congrats! Lovely Bugis-influenced blade... The sheath is typical Bugis, but not original to the blade. The gandik and the greneng areas suggest a Northern Peninsular or Sumatran origin, perhaps.

Beautiful pamor and a nice 'ganja iras' blade.
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Old 18th March 2008, 05:48 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info.

I was not sure about the fit of the blade myself.
But the total of the blade the nice massive selut and the old ukiran made me buy it anyway. Here these old keris are also getting difficult to find.

Best regards,
Willem

Ps. any suggestions on how a toli toli shoud look on this keris ?
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Old 19th March 2008, 01:52 AM   #5
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Thanks for the info.

I was not sure about the fit of the blade myself.
But the total of the blade the nice massive selut and the old ukiran made me buy it anyway. Here these old keris are also getting difficult to find.

Ps. any suggestions on how a toli toli shoud look on this keris ?
A good buy, nevertheless. I'm most interested in the blade.
Click here to see how to tie a toli-toli.
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Old 19th March 2008, 03:12 AM   #6
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You know. I've looked a few times at that blade in the wrongko.

To me, it looks OK.

Yeah, the curve of the top of the wrongko and the curve of the gonjo are different, but the buntut urang and the sirah cecak are mated to the line of the wood; yeah, there seems to be a bit of sloppiness around the edge of the gonjo, but you get this anyway with an old original wrongko.

From what I can see---only from what I can see-- I would not be prepared to say this wrongko was not original to the blade.
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Old 19th March 2008, 05:06 AM   #7
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Hi Willem,

If it's not too much to ask, could you post 2 pictures.
1) A close-up of the base of the blade, (sample).
2) A close-up of the sheath where the blade rest in its sheath, (sample).

Thanks,
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Old 19th March 2008, 01:43 PM   #8
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Dear Shah,

Thank you for the toli toli instructions.
I will try to find a nice modest cord somewhere.

I will make some better pictures of blade and the fit in the scabbard too.

Best regards,
Willem
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Old 20th March 2008, 02:34 AM   #9
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The blade is good and the greneng are still in good shape. Scabbard may not be original but it is old, probably the initial owner replaced it due to damage and well lasted until it got to your hands.
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Old 20th March 2008, 01:09 PM   #10
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The additional pictures, still far from perfect
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Old 20th March 2008, 01:46 PM   #11
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The additional pictures, still far from perfect
Thank you, Willem. Good enough for my purpose.
I stand firm with my initial opinion that the old sheath is not original to the blade. However, it does adequately house the blade nicely.

The blade is Sumatran, imho... a very nicely made ganja-iras piece. It looks even better with these newer pictures. Thank you for sharing.
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Old 20th March 2008, 03:39 PM   #12
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Dear Alam,

Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?
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Old 20th March 2008, 05:00 PM   #13
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Dear Alam,

Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?
I'm sorry Willem, age-wise... I'm not sure. Perhaps other might be able to assist.
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Old 20th March 2008, 08:18 PM   #14
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I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade.
Nice keris with gondjo iras.

Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.
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Old 20th March 2008, 11:41 PM   #15
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Maybe this wrongko was not original to the blade, but quite frankly, I still cannot see sufficient to allow me to say one way or the other. Yes, I can see the opening in front of the sirah cecak, but the kembang kacang projects beyond the sirah cecak; yes I can see the amount that the top of the gonjo sits above the curve of the wrongko, but the gonjo is abnormally straight, yes, I can see that the buntut urang sits proud of the wood, but I can also see that this is a large and substantial blade, and the joint of the gambar to gandar has not been reset.

It is also a fact of life that not all keris blades had their wrongkos made by master craftsmen who invariably achieved a perfect fit of blade to wood. Many old blades were fitted to wrongkos that were already made , not old, pre-used wrongkos, but wrongkos that were held ready by a market tukang who fitted the blade while the customer waited. I have seen many old Javanese blades in such wrongkos, and the fitting is often far from perfect.I can only assume that similar market practices existed in other places than Jawa.

Yes, maybe this wrongko is not original to the blade, but from what I have so far seen in these pics, I could not say one way or the other--- put it this way:- I would not gamble money on being certain about one thing or the other.
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Old 21st March 2008, 02:48 AM   #16
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I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade.
Nice keris with gondjo iras.

Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.
Hi Henk,
Yes, the fingers won't burn... but I not prepared to give a supportable opinion.
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Old 18th April 2008, 12:23 PM   #17
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Default Toli Toli

How is it now with a Toli Toli ?

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Old 19th April 2008, 08:29 AM   #18
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How is it now with a Toli Toli ?
Looks nice to me.
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Old 19th April 2008, 09:43 AM   #19
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Great job!!!

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Old 20th April 2008, 01:50 AM   #20
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Nice, good choice of string used in fact.
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Old 4th July 2016, 02:15 AM   #21
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Lucky lucky lucky me.

I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.

Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?


The same mendak with my keris



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Old 11th August 2016, 08:38 AM   #22
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Lucky lucky lucky me.

I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.

Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?


I had keris like this, and it came from Makassar. Model keris makassar did glance similar to the model Mataram (Mata Rantai Makassar) and Sumatra. Because in antiquity, they cooperate in various fields. So often we see similarities in models of weapons including the keris. To discern that your keris from Sulawesi is very easy to see the material. And I saw the material is still used iron from LUWU South Sulawesi.
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Old 23rd August 2016, 11:30 PM   #23
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The same mendak with my keris





Probably exactly the same as I sold mine over a year ago to a dutch trader.
The toli toli on your example is looking familiar too. This type comes from the north east of the Netherlands.
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Old 24th August 2016, 02:43 AM   #24
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Cool Nice Pictures!

Willem, would you please upload these images to the site.
They become part of the archive that way.
Thanks.
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Old 2nd September 2016, 11:47 AM   #25
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I found some keris that has the same characteristics come from the islands like Selayar and Makassar. To determine the authenticity of the keris from Sulawesi that you can pay attention to the material that is in use, and in my opinion that your keris comes from water areas such as Makassar and Selayar or include original keris Bugis.



You can pay attention to all three of these characteristics, the chain model mendak, handles and timpo are the same. And a handle shaped dowels (Takala) are mostly found in areas near the coast such as Sumbawa, Makassar and Selayar :

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